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Topic: alarm to best suit me, moving to bad area

Posted By: dontstealme
Subject: alarm to best suit me, moving to bad area
Date Posted: March 19, 2008 at 1:19 AM

Moving out to a new place where I personally know of 5 cars that have been broken into. 2 of them being my mothers. Not a good area and I have no other option.

Not a complete noob with alarm systems/ electronics and I know that any car can be stolen if someone really wants it. I just want to do my best to prevent it. I am looking for a reputable alarm system with as many features as possible. I am finding ton of alarm systems and brands I've never heard of, please suggest some nice genuine alarms for my situation.

95 Mitsubishi Eclipse Gs-t with factory alarm that works sometimes. Alarm will be getting installed by a professional.

Here are things I believe are necessary to have with the alarm.

-Passive arming
-door/lock unlock
-Siren
-motion sensor/s
-2 way remote of some sort to keep informed

Things I would like for it to have

-backup battery I know some alarms come with them
-tilt sensor(in case car is being towed)
-remote start for manual
-turbo timer
-kill switch/s, immobilizer
-Longest range possible for the 2 way.
-Anti grind
-Light dimming


I have been searching online but there are to many knock offs out there its taking me forever and I am very busy with college right now so any help is extremely appreciated.

Thanks,

Cristian



Replies:

Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: March 19, 2008 at 7:13 AM
If you're planning to buy the product yourself, and then have a professional install it, make sure to ask them first, and get a price.

Most shops will install only what they sell, or charge a LOT more for labor to install something they're not familiar with.

Also, if you buy at one place, and install at another........there'll be confusion if something ever breaks. Was it the installer's fault, or the product's fault? If it's the product, who will pay to remove/reinstall it? Will the seller warranty the product for you?

Typically, if you get everything at one place, they should warranty everything forever. I warranty the remotes, but some places don't, so ask.

There aren't too many brands that sell units made for manual transmissions, so that should narrow your search down a bit.

Ultra (made by AST) is one, and Compustar is another. Compustar isn't cheap, but they make good product, have systems with two-way remotes, and advertise systems with 1-mile range (although I haven't tried one out).

You might start by finding a local shop that sells and installs Compustar, visit them and get some pricing.

If you're looking to make the car hard to steal, what's more important than brand name, or how many sensors you have, is the installation.

The basic installation price will typically include all components mounted securely, out of your sight, good wiring connections, and so forth.

What's even better is if the alarm's "brain" is located where a thief can't get to it without removing lots of panels.......installing the siren and its wires behind/underneath other underhood components so it can't be found........this will generally cost extra, as it adds a lot of time to the job.

When choosing where you'll go, try to talk directly to the installer who would work on your car, rather than the salesman. Ask if he could look at your car, and give you some idea as to where he'd put the components.

When going in for the job, try to drop the car off early, and on a day you'll know he'll be working. You don't want to drop it on his day off, and end up having the "new guy" work on it.

As far as your other questions:

Doorlocks, starter kill, and siren are pretty much standard with any alarm. Passive arming should cost you nothing, as it's just a feature the installer has to enable in programming.

Tilt sensor, glass break sensor, interior motion sensor, backup battery, extra sirens.........these can be added to pretty much any alarm.

Not sure what you meant by "light dimming." Do you want the interior lights to come on when you unlock the doors? That's a slight installation challenge on a manual-transmission car (because the unit needs to "know" when a door is being opened), but it can be done.

Or do you mean you want the headlights to automatically come on at night? DEI and Audiovox used to make pieces to do that, but I'm not sure if they're around anymore.




Posted By: davngr
Date Posted: March 19, 2008 at 9:08 AM
 like the other post said, your better off going to one shop and having evrything done.  another feature you dint mention but, might be a good choise for you is ignition/fuel pump cut off.  most manual cars end up having their stearing locks broken then pop started.

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Posted By: dontstealme
Date Posted: March 19, 2008 at 9:10 AM
Chris Luongo wrote:

If you're planning to buy the product yourself, and then have a professional install it, make sure to ask them first, and get a price.

Most shops will install only what they sell, or charge a LOT more for labor to install something they're not familiar with.

Also, if you buy at one place, and install at another........there'll be confusion if something ever breaks. Was it the installer's fault, or the product's fault? If it's the product, who will pay to remove/reinstall it? Will the seller warranty the product for you?

Typically, if you get everything at one place, they should warranty everything forever. I warranty the remotes, but some places don't, so ask.

There aren't too many brands that sell units made for manual transmissions, so that should narrow your search down a bit.

Ultra (made by AST) is one, and Compustar is another. Compustar isn't cheap, but they make good product, have systems with two-way remotes, and advertise systems with 1-mile range (although I haven't tried one out).

You might start by finding a local shop that sells and installs Compustar, visit them and get some pricing.

If you're looking to make the car hard to steal, what's more important than brand name, or how many sensors you have, is the installation.

The basic installation price will typically include all components mounted securely, out of your sight, good wiring connections, and so forth.

What's even better is if the alarm's "brain" is located where a thief can't get to it without removing lots of panels.......installing the siren and its wires behind/underneath other underhood components so it can't be found........this will generally cost extra, as it adds a lot of time to the job.

When choosing where you'll go, try to talk directly to the installer who would work on your car, rather than the salesman. Ask if he could look at your car, and give you some idea as to where he'd put the components.

When going in for the job, try to drop the car off early, and on a day you'll know he'll be working. You don't want to drop it on his day off, and end up having the "new guy" work on it.

As far as your other questions:

Doorlocks, starter kill, and siren are pretty much standard with any alarm. Passive arming should cost you nothing, as it's just a feature the installer has to enable in programming.

Tilt sensor, glass break sensor, interior motion sensor, backup battery, extra sirens.........these can be added to pretty much any alarm.

Not sure what you meant by "light dimming." Do you want the interior lights to come on when you unlock the doors? That's a slight installation challenge on a manual-transmission car (because the unit needs to "know" when a door is being opened), but it can be done.

Or do you mean you want the headlights to automatically come on at night? DEI and Audiovox used to make pieces to do that, but I'm not sure if they're around anymore.



I agree with you on buying the alarm and getting it installed in one place I was just worried about just getting sold on whatever they carry or have in stock. I am going to call around. I am looking at the Compustar alarms now they look great I am liking the P2WSSR. But I've heard issues about their warranties since they changed owners or something like that. I just want something that is state of the art and not outdated. I love the compustar's range 6000ft. As far as the light dimming I was talking about the interior lights going on/off when arming disarming or w/ the ignition. But I would not mind having my headlights go on at night either. This is a one time deal so I would like to go all out, so to speak.

-Cristian




Posted By: StealthEs
Date Posted: March 19, 2008 at 11:58 AM
As long as its installed by an authorized Compustar PRO dealer you want have any problems with the warranty.

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Cris




Posted By: dswift
Date Posted: March 19, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Compustar has the same owners. There are no complications with there warranty.

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"dont ground out!"




Posted By: dontstealme
Date Posted: March 19, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Wow I called up some Pro dealers got a quote of 850 w/ the autostart and no tilt sensor. Another with the alarm alone and no autostart for 450.




Posted By: dontstealme
Date Posted: March 19, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Sorry I forgot to add this to my previous post. What should this alarm run me installed with the autostart,tilt sensor,motion sensor, etc. Just so I know whether or not I'm getting ripped off.

Thanks again




Posted By: OhioMike1101
Date Posted: March 20, 2008 at 1:43 PM
we sell the P2wss-AS fof $619.99 at our shop

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South Side Audio
2501 S. High St
Columbus, OH 43207




Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 20, 2008 at 2:12 PM

499 for unit and install + 20 for keyless entry. each sensor is roughly 50 and 20 for labour.

you would be looking at 700 for full complete system. And that is canadian dollars.





Posted By: davesparkave
Date Posted: March 22, 2008 at 7:19 PM
i'll install that in a day for a buck-fifty .you wont see a trace of an alarm except for a blinking light ,bring me the parts.




Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: March 23, 2008 at 1:16 PM
There is a non-pro version of that alarm with the same range.  You lose a couple features like temperature sensor, but it should be cheaper.  It's what I just put in my car.




Posted By: dontstealme
Date Posted: March 23, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Could you give me the model number of that unit please.^ is it the 2W900FMR?

I've talked to another shop he is recommending DEI products, but he said he can get compustar, for Around 600 installed. I'm kind of stuck on which one to get now. Like I said I want range, glass break sensor, auto start on a manual (safely), tilt sensor, motion sensor, proximity sensor would be nice, but not necessary, some type of kill switch, hood, door, and hatch sensors. I've been looking at alot of alarms but they don't say much about the sensors or how much they are and whether  they are included or not. I'm a bit confused. I should be getting this installed next week so any info is appreciated.

Thanks,

Cristian





Posted By: dontstealme
Date Posted: March 23, 2008 at 1:52 PM

davesparkave wrote:

i'll install that in a day for a buck-fifty .you wont see a trace of an alarm except for a blinking light ,bring me the parts.

I need someone local so they can warranty it, and deal with me annoying them when something goes wrong, but thanks.





Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 23, 2008 at 9:36 PM
DEI doesnt offer anything for manual unless you got the astro. Other than that, you will need to pick up a 689m module that makes the unit safe for manual trannys. well i suggest you stay with compustar. Depending on the person and dealer, some like to push one brand more than the other.




Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: March 24, 2008 at 2:37 AM
dontstealme wrote:

Could you give me the model number of that unit please.^ is it the 2W900FMR?

I've talked to another shop he is recommending DEI products, but he said he can get compustar, for Around 600 installed. I'm kind of stuck on which one to get now. Like I said I want range, glass break sensor, auto start on a manual (safely), tilt sensor, motion sensor, proximity sensor would be nice, but not necessary, some type of kill switch, hood, door, and hatch sensors. I've been looking at alot of alarms but they don't say much about the sensors or how much they are and whether  they are included or not. I'm a bit confused. I should be getting this installed next week so any info is appreciated.

Thanks,

Cristian


It's the 2WSSR.  It uses the same spread spectrum technology as the pro model, so it has the same range.  The 900fmr has less range than those units.

It comes with the ability for manual transmission RS built in.  You just have to hook up the proper wires.  I doubt you will find another alarm system with better range.  The downside to this is the remotes are rather bulky.  They use an AA battery.  You can add glass break, prox, and tilt sensors if you want.  It comes with a starter kill/anti grind relay, hood, door, and hatch triggers.  You just need to talk to the shop about cost to hook all those up.





Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 24, 2008 at 10:22 AM

here are the models that compustar offers that are good in my books.

Year: 2006 Model
2W900FM-AS 

Year 2007-09 Model
P2W900FM-AS
P2WSSR - AS

differance. the 06 model is 900mhz, 3000ft range, has all the jazz needed. 07-08 models are the PRO series that have temp display, voltage, 6000ft range(WSSR ONLY), 433mhz, and A WACK LOAD more of features. hey steven, the P2W900FM and 2W900FM use AAA batteries and the P2WSSR uses AA - its a monster.





Posted By: dontstealme
Date Posted: April 09, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Got the 2wss-as installed so far I hate it. Signal sucks so bad. As I walk up to the car the remote loses signal and I have to wait until it syncs and gets signal again to get in my car. I'm having a few other issues going back to the installer this week, I hope something is wrong and it isn't like this.





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