shock and 508d pauses

I have a maxtrix 50.5x and both the shock and 508D pause before they are triggered again.

Maybe this is normal but when I trigger the warn away for my shock sensor and the alarm beeps there is a pause before I get another trigger warning even if I keep taping the vehicle.

This is the same for my 508D, If I arm the alarm and wait a few seconds and walk over to the car I get a warn away triggger siren sound, but only one even though I am still moving arround the same area. After about 9 seconds it will trigger again with a warning sound.

Why woudn't the trigger warning sound keep going off if I am within the warning proximity zone without the pause?

Same with my shock sensor.

I might be answering my own question here but based on the diagrams of how to hook up the 508D I found on the site, the place I bought it from said to hook it through the shock sensor, and they told me the wrong wires to hook up it seems.

I am assuming that is why I am only getting one motion pulse trigger (and on channel 1) because the shock sensor gives one trigger per shock pulse hit and because they are linked together the 508D is doing the same thing.

Am I right for thinking this?

The warn away is designed to let people know you have an alarm, without annoying the people near the vehicle.  Why would you want the warn away to coninue going off?  Once the warn away cycles once it has done its job and there would be no point in immediately repeating the warn away chirps.

The important thing here is that if you trigger the warn away and then hit the car hard the alarm should immediately go in to full alarm mode.  If you see the same delay before it goes in to full alarm I would be much more worried.

I don't want it to go off constantly but it will only chirp once and I can walk arround my  vehicle almost 2 times before it goes chips again.

I also have missed the page on the remote because it only sends one signal that makes my remote make only one trigger sound. Ususally when I am in a loud area.

Is there a way to get the remote to to page multiple times based on a trigger like it does on the full alarm?

Why would you want the alarm to page you on the warn away?

If you are that worried about it switch the warn away trigger to the full alarm trigger.

The point of the warn away is to encourage people to not mess with your car.  If the warn away is triggered there is a 99.99999% chance there is no damage to your car.  If the system is set up properly you should only be worried about an impact or violation that sets off the full alarm.

You have to allow the sensor time to "settle down" after you arm the system.  Arm it, wait 30 seconds and then walk up to the car, i will warn away.  And if you keep walking around close in the radar sensors field, it will "see" that and consider that some of the "enviroment".  So, step back a few feet, wait 5 seconds and walk back up to it again.  That would be a better way of testing it.   I've seen people test tem by walking up to the car and start waving their hands up and down continously, and think it's going to keep going off.  Thats now how thw radar sensor "sees" things.

The Impact sensor is kinda the same.  Strike the vehicle,  then wait 3-4 seconds and bump it again.    The system should page you ONCE each time the warn away is triggered.

The reason I want the warning to go off more frequently is that my car is shown at car shows and people especially kids love to get close and touch.

I would just like to have the warn away sense more frequenly because there are lots of people arround and it would help keep those pesky people from putting there finger prints all over the vehicle and messing up the time it took to make the car look really good.

Is this is possible?

I would doubt that it would be possible to make it do what you want it to do, as that delay is in the programming of the unit and is there for a purpose.

You may be able to adjust the sensitivity of the prox sensor so that it will set the alarm off if you get too close to the vehicle.  That way, if someone is approaching the vehicle they will get the warn away, if they continue to get closer it will just set the alarm off.

Of  course at car shows I can't imagine you'll make any friends that way!

The unit has the two adjusting ports, one for outer field and one for inner field.

It also has a factory port. Do you think this might be where an ajustment can be made to how often the unit resets itself before triggering another warning.

That most likely isn't a programmable option, some things just are designed to be changed.  The warn away feature is designed to work in a certain manner, not the way you are trying to make it work.

I was thinking about it this morning though, and there should be a way you can make this work, but you will need to get creative.  Since you are using a prox sensor you can run the outside zone trigger anywhere you want, it does not HAVE to go to the alarm.  So, if you could get your hands on a controller that is designed to output 10 pulses every time it sees an input you could make this work.  Basically, the added module would control the warn away, so you could set it up with no delay.  The downside is that I doubt anything like this exists, so it would most likely have to be custom designed. 

I wonder If a bit writer would control that function and you could custom program it that way?

I know that the bit writer is for programing the unit itself but maybe it can progrem other attached devices also?

I don't think the problem is with the prox sensor, it is with the brain.

As I said before, the warn away circuit is designed to be neighbor friendly so it doesn't allow itself to be triggered consistently.  This delay would be in the main processor in the alarm and won't be programmable.

That is what I thought, that The sensor has the delay built in.

Thats why I believe that the factory setting might change the delay time, but until I confirm I won't be touching that port.

Is the delay in the sensor or in the alarm?  It seems like the sensor should output the signal whenever the zone is tripped, but the alarm only reacts every so often.

If the delay is in fact in the sensor then you can look for a different sensor that doesn't have a delay.  You could also possibly add a second sensor and use a time delay relay to switch back and forth between prox sensors after one triggers.  You could also possibly use the output to kill power to the sensor, which MAY cause the sensor to reset and cancel the delay.

You might be on to something ----- KPierson

I found this item from dei

<"Arial Narrow" color=#ffffff>Pulse Timer with SPDT Relay

I wonder if this would make the unit turn off and on making the sensor reset itself every 3 seconds for example, that would then cause the zone to activate again.

Sorry some text did not come through right.

It is a DEI 528T

A pulse timer with spdt relay

Can't that be changed by turning off the nuisance protrction circuitry?

I have got this alarm wired up and working that makes my installer friends wonder how I integraded new functions.

Something has to be able to make this work.

My way is try try again.

I still want to know what the factory setting screw or whatever is down there is for. Maybe it controles the timing. If the unit gives you 4 seconds I believe to walk away from the car maybe this can be adjusted to 2 seconds?

The reason I think this is possible is that I had an alarm years ago that there was no delay when the sensors detected and would warn away every few seconds untill the intrusion zone was not being violated anymore.

Maybe it worked by warning untill the field had settled back to normal instead of the current setup that warns when the field is violated.

I disagree Jworm, anything is possible.  It may involve creating a custom module to handle the warn away independently of the alarm, and possibly using multiple prox sensors, but this is VERY possible, if you have the time and money to make it work.

Personally, I don't see the point of it and I agree that it goes against how the alarm was engineered, but to each his own.

08SilverMustang - you should use your voltmeter to monitor the warn away output of the prox sensor.  This will tell you, beyond a shadow of a doubt, where the actual delay is.  Once you know where the delay is you can work on eliminating it.  Until you know where the delay is though (on the prox output or the alarm input) you won't be able to do anything.

Does anyone know what the factory setting adjustment is for, under the plug on the other end of the box.

No one has been able to answer this question yet and it would be interesting to know what it does.

Well after a little messing around with the factory setting (that is hard as hell to adjust) I got the box to trigger every 1 second instead of every 4.

After adjusting the modules outer zone if I put the module directly on my center arm rest I can stand about 1 foot to 2 feet from my vehicle or closer and weather I move or even stand still that warning will go off about every 3 to 6 seconds as long as I am in the zone.

No one wants that ugly clear box stuck to the top of their arm rest, so when I put it inside it reduced my current setting to where I have to be about a half a foot away and if I stay in that zone the warning will go off about every 3 to 6 seconds as long as I am in the zone.

Putting it under the arm rest and having my tented windows seem to make it more difficult to sense in the front and rear of the vehicle. I have another free multiplexed input free, so maybe I will hide on up front and one out back to cover everything about half a foot away with the right settings. These things are only 39.99 from my local shop.

Don’t underestimate the power of technology and electronics.

I will mess with it some more to get it just right when I have more time.

Bottom line you can make almost any electronic do what you want.

Hell I only have one relay hooked up and I am tapped into all the other factory relays for all the other functions.

Any feed back or input to make this work better would be helpful and I hope this helps others.