remote start and auto rearm 2003 acura cl

I have a 2003 Acura CL 6 speed and just got the new Clifford 3.3x and had it installed. Everything seems good but had a few questions. First is, the remote start is not working and the installer thinks its because i didnt put in any kind of immobilzer bypass (waiting on the plug in xk400n module) but he was a little stumped because normally you can get around that to test if you leave the key in the ignition.  The car will turn to the on position and try to start but there is no cranking..it tries 3 times than stops. Did he forget to plug in a wire or does it need the bypass kit?

2nd question is i want to use the auto rearm/w lock feature (locks the doors after 60 seconds if the door isnt opened and the alarm was disarmed)  but when i turn that feature on through the valet programming it doesnt seem to work. To test, i get out of the car lock it and than unlock it and wait. I waited like 5 minutes and it never rearmed. Is there a time limit or something i have to wait after the car is armed before this activates or what?

Other than that this alarm is so awesome. The remote is great!  Many cool features

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Chris Luongo wrote:

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OK, I think I know what you want. Just like Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus from the factory, if you unlock the door, but then don't get around to opening the door, the car re-locks itself. That's what you want, right?

So then, for your first question:

You need to have your system programmed for Passive Arming, and Passive Locking too. You already did that, right?

The second thing is this. The idea is that you unlock it, and unless you open a door, the system rearms itself again.

However, most Honda vehicles turn on their domelight when unlocking. Does your car do this?

If the installer used the car's domelight wire as the alarm's door trigger (most of us would), what's happening is that the alarm "thinks" you've already opened a door, and therefore won't rearm.

If that's the case, you could ask the installer to use the car's two individual door pinswitch wires, instead of the domelight.

As for your second question.....

Is the 3.3x the new, new DEI stuff that's made for manual transmissions?

Because the rules of this website don't allow us to help you install an automatic-transmission remote starter into a manual-transmission vehicle.

However.........next time you try it, try the remote start with the key in the ignition, AND the clutched pushed in.

If you do that, be sure the parking brake is on, the car's in neutral, there's no one in the path of the car, and you have your other foot right over the brake pedal to stop the car in case it somehow moves.

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Your exactly right, thats what i wanted. I talked to my installer and he said he did use the dome light wire as the door pin triggers, even his directed cheat sheat thing said to use that wire. He said if he wires into the door pin triggers he will have to solder some diodes in, which is no biggie but unfortunatly my installer lives 300 miles from me and i wont be back down for about 2-3 months. Oh well its not that big of a deal, it is a feature i like though

And yes this is the new matrix 3.3x and its completly made for and compatible with manual trannies and they market it that way too. I tried the clutch pedal thing and putting the key in the ignition and it still does the same thing, comes to one position and turns but it doesnt crank. Does it three times and the remote comes back saying it didnt remote start. Any help greatly appreciated and thanks chris! =) 

Chris Luongo wrote:

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OK, I think I know what you want. Just like Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus from the factory, if you unlock the door, but then don't get around to opening the door, the car re-locks itself. That's what you want, right?

So then, for your first question:

You need to have your system programmed for Passive Arming, and Passive Locking too. You already did that, right?

The second thing is this. The idea is that you unlock it, and unless you open a door, the system rearms itself again.

However, most Honda vehicles turn on their domelight when unlocking. Does your car do this?

If the installer used the car's domelight wire as the alarm's door trigger (most of us would), what's happening is that the alarm "thinks" you've already opened a door, and therefore won't rearm.

If that's the case, you could ask the installer to use the car's two individual door pinswitch wires, instead of the domelight.

As for your second question.....

Is the 3.3x the new, new DEI stuff that's made for manual transmissions?

Because the rules of this website don't allow us to help you install an automatic-transmission remote starter into a manual-transmission vehicle.

However.........next time you try it, try the remote start with the key in the ignition, AND the clutched pushed in.

If you do that, be sure the parking brake is on, the car's in neutral, there's no one in the path of the car, and you have your other foot right over the brake pedal to stop the car in case it somehow moves.

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Any more info that you can give me?

The clifford 3.3x is the new  responder le system and it's not designed for manual transmission that I know of because you need the 689m module to do rs on a manual transmission.

If all the wires is hooked up correctly and when you insert the key and remote start it and it don't crank you probaly need to re learn the tach.  Also check to see on the rs relay pack on the green and purple wire is going the right direction. Purple goes to starter and green is the key side. When you do the remote start does the ignition turn on and stay on? 

Let me know and I can try my best to help.

808hi] wrote:

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The clifford 3.3x is the new  responder le system and it's not designed for manual transmission that I know of because you need the 689m module to do rs on a manual transmission.

If all the wires is hooked up correctly and when you insert the key and remote start it and it don't crank you probaly need to re learn the tach.  Also check to see on the rs relay pack on the green and purple wire is going the right direction. Purple goes to starter and green is the key side. When you do the remote start does the ignition turn on and stay on? 

Let me know and I can try my best to help.

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Actaully, dont take it harsly, but your wrong. The Responder LE systems are now available for Manual AND Auto Trannys. DEI designed this unit to compete with its other competitors that offer manual safe units. The 689m Was designed as an addon to units previously to the 3.3x (Responder). They now integrate it to save cost and installers time.

hey nitrous, you can plac the key into the ignition like chris said, but also check to see if your installer hooked up the parking brake wire. I havent installed one of these bad boys yet, but i will in a week or so hopefully. Do you need to enter a reservation mode for it to start? also, do you know if the installer strip-solder-tape? you can get under the dash to see how it was wired up. you might have got a defective unit.

tedmond,

don't worry I did not take it harsh. I install viper/clifford daily BUT did not even get a chance to install the new le systems that is why said "that I know of" meaning I was not to shure but thanks for the info.

tedmond wrote:

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808hi] wrote:

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The clifford 3.3x is the new  responder le system and it's not designed for manual transmission that I know of because you need the 689m module to do rs on a manual transmission.

If all the wires is hooked up correctly and when you insert the key and remote start it and it don't crank you probaly need to re learn the tach.  Also check to see on the rs relay pack on the green and purple wire is going the right direction. Purple goes to starter and green is the key side. When you do the remote start does the ignition turn on and stay on? 

Let me know and I can try my best to help.

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Actaully, dont take it harsly, but your wrong. The Responder LE systems are now available for Manual AND Auto Trannys. DEI designed this unit to compete with its other competitors that offer manual safe units. The 689m Was designed as an addon to units previously to the 3.3x (Responder). They now integrate it to save cost and installers time.

hey nitrous, you can plac the key into the ignition like chris said, but also check to see if your installer hooked up the parking brake wire. I havent installed one of these bad boys yet, but i will in a week or so hopefully. Do you need to enter a reservation mode for it to start? also, do you know if the installer strip-solder-tape? you can get under the dash to see how it was wired up. you might have got a defective unit.

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Yeah the installer hooked up the parking brake wire and the brake wire. I was there the whole time during the install, hes a friend of mine so i was able to stay and see how it was done. When i press the brake the car tuns off as it should and i know the parking brake is hooked up correctly because the Manual sequence goes like this. Put car in neutral, press brake, pull up ebrake,release brake, remote start vehicle, take key out of the ignition, get out of the car without stepping on the brake (will shut the car off if you hit the brake) wait about 5 seconds and arm the car. The car than shuts off and the remote start led will come on green if you did the manual process correctly. If the parking brake wire was not hooked up the car would bring back an error code on the remote saying i entered the sequence incorrectly. the parking lights will also flash in code to tell you why it brought back an error code to the remote. The codes are in the install manual. So basically i do all that correctly, get the green led, than when i go to remote start i put the key in the ignition (no Immobilzer bypass yet, waiting on xk400n) remote start it, the igntion comes on to the on position, and just clicks, the car doesnt crank. I watched him hook up all the wires and he double checked allhis work with the DEIs cheat sheat from there directechs wire guide. he did a military brade on most of the igntion stuff and soldered the rest.  How do you do a tach learn? Im pretty sure he did that but i could double check if i knew how to do it.

Are you sure he even hooked it up to the tach, or did he just do it as voltage sense?  It's not as reliable to do voltage sense, but some installers do tend to do that as it's a little easier to do it that way.  He did take a shortcut with the door trigger, (which isn't a problem, as stated in another post), maybe he took a shortcut with this as well.(which again isn't a problem, just not as reliable.)  haven't seen that brought up yet, but is another thing to look at!

Yeah he did hook up the tach wire. I saw him do it and he showed me where he did it. He did it at the tach connector in the engine bay. Maybe i just need to relearn the tach? How do you do that?

This is from a Viper alarm, but they're both made by DEI, so i don't see it being any different...worth a shot anyways! 

1.  Start the Vehicle with the key

2.  Within 5 seconds, press and HOLD the Valet switch.

3.  The LED will light constant when the tach signal is learned.

4.  Release the Valet button.

It should be in your manual, but i think it's gonna be the same!

Still a no go..relearned the tach but still no starter engadgment. Another one of my installers is coming tuesday to put in my window and sunroof modules so i guess i can have him look at it. He cant actually do anything with it though because its against there stores policy to touch remote start on MT vehicles even though this alarm is made for MT. There isnt a single place that im aware of in portland that will touch remote start on MT. The guy that did mine was a master installer working out of his own shop, but hes not local to me so its a little harder for him to work on it unless i drive 300+ miles

What else can i try? Im thinking one of the starter wires is not hooked up or something i dunno, i cant belive he would miss something like that though. Does anybody have a remote start wire diagram for an 03 acura CL type S?

Master installer?  Hmm weird that he can't get to to work properly? If he hooked up the system "properly" the system should start up right away. If you try to rs it and the ignition turns on and don't crank he probaly got the wire going to the wrong direction going for the rs going to the starter wire.  I never worked on a new le system on a mt car so I would not know where to start but I know that car is very simple to do put a security system/rs in.