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2008 scion xd factory keyfob disarm alarm

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: May 14, 2024 at 11:00 AM


Topic: 2008 scion xd factory keyfob disarm alarm

Posted By: tmrepp
Subject: 2008 scion xd factory keyfob disarm alarm
Date Posted: May 06, 2008 at 9:49 PM

Just as the title says, I am looking to have the factory keyfob disarm my RS1000 autopage alarm system that I installed. I love the 2 way paging, but is there any way to have the factory keyless entry disarm my alarm, so I don't lose functionality of two out of 3 of my factory 'Scion' keys?

Also, any way to keep the factory Toyota beep upon arm/disarm, with the RS1000?

Thanks!



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Posted By: hurleyloser
Date Posted: May 08, 2008 at 3:15 AM
does your autopage alarm have a disarm input wire?




Posted By: tmrepp
Date Posted: May 10, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Only thing I see (which is most likely to disarm a factory alarm) is a "2-step unlock /Factory Disarm /Sensor By-pass"

So I am guessing you can't do it, right?




Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: May 10, 2008 at 11:24 AM
the autopage does have an output called factory disarm output. and it is possible.




Posted By: hurleyloser
Date Posted: May 10, 2008 at 9:23 PM
well if your autopage doesn't have a disarm input, then the only other way to disarm it with your factory keyless entry is to take a spare remote apart that controls your autopage and wire it up with some relays to some triggers in your car. I've done this several times for customers that want to use the built-in fob in the key to control an aftermarket alarm.




Posted By: tmrepp
Date Posted: May 10, 2008 at 11:50 PM
hurleyloser wrote:

well if your autopage doesn't have a disarm input, then the only other way to disarm it with your factory keyless entry is to take a spare remote apart that controls your autopage and wire it up with some relays to some triggers in your car. I've done this several times for customers that want to use the built-in fob in the key to control an aftermarket alarm.


Could you please go into a more in-depth explanation? I am willing to do this, if I can lose one autopage dongle, and gain the use of my two factory keys. Obviously advanced functions wouldn't be available, but they aren't needed for those sets of keys.

Thank you,
Travis




Posted By: hurleyloser
Date Posted: May 11, 2008 at 12:56 AM
If you open up one of your spare autopage remotes you should be able to find out how a button press connects two contacts on the circuit board. You're going to be soldering onto these points.

Now for the fun part. You're going to for sure need three relays, a fourth is optional.

Relay 1
87 Contact a on the remote's arm
30 contact b on the remote's arm
86 lock motor (+)
85 ground

Relay 2
87 contact a on the remote's disarm
30 to relay 3's 87
86 unlock motor (+)
85 ground

Relay 3
87a to relay 2's 30
30 contact b on the remote's disarm
86 12v+
85 (-)unlock from door switch

Relay's 1 and 2 will simulate a "press" on the autopage remote's arm and disarm buttons when ever the lock and unlock positive sides are sensed.
Relay 3 will break the disarm circuit when ever unlock is pressed from the door switch so that the alarm cannot be disarmed by simply opening the door and pressing unlock.
The fourth relay can be used the same as relay 3 if you don't want the alarm to arm by pressing the lock switch.

This setup will allow you to arm and disarm your autopage, or any alarm with buttons for that matter, using your factory keyless entry fob.

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ASE A6 Certified Technician




Posted By: hurleyloser
Date Posted: May 11, 2008 at 12:59 AM
sorry, found a typo up there.. here is the correct info for relay 2

87 contact a on the remote's disarm
30 to relay 3's 87a
86 unlock motor (+)
85 ground

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MECP Master Certified Technician
ASE A6 Certified Technician




Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: May 11, 2008 at 7:06 AM

trust me, your unit has a factory disarm output. you can do what hurley suggested, its a long process but works. Do this. set the unit to pulse unlock before start then relock after.

so when you remote start it, it will unlock-start-relock.

using the unlock wire, diode isolae it to the door locks and to the factory disarm wire on the car @ kick panel OR power the Key Sense - YELLOW (-) @ ignition switch harness this will disarm factory alarm without unlocking the door.





Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: May 11, 2008 at 8:32 PM
tedmond, he wants the other way around. He wants to use the factory remote to disarm the aftermarket alarm. Unless his Autopage has a disarm input, I don't think he can do that.

tmrep, everything hurleyloser says will work.......with one thing, do you have a remote starter too? Or just an alarm?

If you have only an alarm, you'll be fine. However, if the car is remote started, the factory remotes won't work with the engine running.




Posted By: hurleyloser
Date Posted: May 11, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Chris has a good point, I forgot to mention that. The only way to allow the factory fobs to continue working with the car on is to cut the ignition input to the factory keyless module, and this is on a case to case basis when this solution is available.

hope this helps.

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MECP Master Certified Technician
ASE A6 Certified Technician




Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: May 12, 2008 at 6:06 AM
oh man, i have been misleading this whole time. i thought he wanted to retain factory because i thought it was wailing when he unlocked the doors. Im sorry for the info i have been feedin you.




Posted By: tmrepp
Date Posted: May 12, 2008 at 3:13 PM
It's all good. Seems like a lot of work with small wires on a small circuit board (circuit board being the autopage keyfob) that wouldn't hold up very well. Maybe eventually I will end up doing this, but for the time being, it's not worth it to me. Thank you for all of your time, I appreciate it! I really wish they put a line in disarm on the alarm. Would make it a lot cheaper and easier. Yaknow?




Posted By: tmrepp
Date Posted: May 12, 2008 at 3:21 PM
You guys have any idea why the Autopage would (occasionally) only disarm and not unlock the locks no matter how many times I lock/unlock it, I have to use my key (or OEM keyless entry).. Any ideas? I'd like to put keyhole covers on.




Posted By: hurleyloser
Date Posted: May 12, 2008 at 8:37 PM
It might need to be programmed for a double pulse unlock. Some BCM connections on Nissans will unlock with one pulse, but after the BCM goes to sleep it will require two, this could be the same with yours. Then again, I don't know if you have double pulse programmed already.

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ASE A6 Certified Technician




Posted By: tmrepp
Date Posted: May 13, 2008 at 10:11 PM
I could set that up. It's not necessarily when it's sitting for a while. It did it yesterday, nothing out of the normal of what I usually do. Stop car, put in neutral put the e-brake on, turn car off. turn headlights off if they're on, get out of the car..and then lock it with the remote. Went inside to grab my paycheck, came back out and no matter how many times I hit the unlock button, or lock then unlock, etc. it wouldn't work.





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