car thieves using laptops to steal cars?
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Topic: car thieves using laptops to steal cars?
Posted By: pro17
Subject: car thieves using laptops to steal cars?
Date Posted: June 03, 2008 at 11:35 PM
hello, some time ago I read an article on how thieves are using laptops to steal high end cars. there was a particular article that stated that the thieves were able to tap into the car lights and unlock and steal the car that way, I dont remember what model car it was but i know I read it somewhere. Does anyone know what I am talking about. Can anyone provide a link to that article or website?
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Posted By: schmoo
Date Posted: June 03, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Heard of the first generation Nissan smartkey being "hacked" by thieves with laptops. I believe it was a version of bluetooth(correct me if I am wrong) and the thief would sit near by waiting for the owner to approach the car and be able to grab the coded signal and later re-broadcast as if he had an actual key. Can't remeber where I saw this, but will see if I can come across any info.
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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 04, 2008 at 12:09 PM
The version I heard was that the Eastern Europeans had laptops with source codes for the RFid keys that unlock the car when you approach and release the steering lock and start the car automatically. The encryption level isn't very good, so you've just bought a new S Class, go into a Cafe in say Prague and a guy is sitting near you using a laptop. you go to the restroom, come out and find your car gone.
Posted By: peterubers
Date Posted: June 07, 2008 at 6:53 PM
For the increased threat/risk of a theif hacking the RFID or bluetooth signal .. the "smartkey" is not worth it in my opinion... others will disagree, i'm sure.
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Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: June 08, 2008 at 8:27 AM
Someone has cracked the keyloq algorithm used in most code hopping security systems. This happened quite a while ago and is NOT widespread at all. You have a better chance of having your vehicle flatbedded then to have someone break your codehopping security. I belive David Bechham had a vehicle stolen in that manner (although it has been a long time since i read about it).
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Kevin Pierson
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: June 08, 2008 at 8:29 AM
Turns out I was part right, part wrong. Beckham did have some vehicles stolen using laptops - but they believe it was a brute force attack: https://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20060504/david-beckham%E2%80%99s-60000-bmw-stolen-using-a-laptop/ The keyloq info is here: https://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/08/researchers-say.html And apparantly its keeloq.... ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 08, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Thanks for the info Kevin although knowing some footballers here (= young vastly overpaid and stupid) he probably loaned it to a friend who left the keys in it. By the way, it can't be Bluetooth, too much power drain surely?
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: June 08, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Huh? Football? I thought Beckham played soccer???? :) haha I would think a hacked version of blue tooth wouldn't be too bad - minimal antenna strength will increase security and reduce current consumption, and sleep modes and what not could get the current draw down pretty low. ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 08, 2008 at 12:46 PM
No Kevin he doesn't play football, Wayne Rooney plays football, Beckham is a wuss and he plays like those US pussy football players. Remember young Kevin, football (soccer) is a gentleman's game played by thugs and Rugby (US footballs dad) is a thugs game played by gentlemen. Now you've got me going I'm going to shaft the fool with the '02 Explorer.
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: June 08, 2008 at 1:05 PM
haha, sorry to get you so worked up!
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Kevin Pierson
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 08, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Don't start me off or I'll tell you about watching Johnny Cash and June Carter during the interval of a baseball match in the '60s! and I thought cricket was boring. Right now it's the Canadian GP, Austria versus Croatia and shortly Germany versus Poland on the Plasma. Today I went for a walk in my local park, everyone spoke Polish or Russian , I even saw a 911 with Moscow Plates!
Posted By: lspker
Date Posted: June 08, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Most new cars have some sort of serial data bus, all you need is an interface, the viehical source code, and a 12 year old hacker. Tapping in through the lights, now that would be a trick..........unless they were fiberoptic two network.
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: June 09, 2008 at 2:06 PM
howie ll wrote:
No Kevin he doesn't play football, Wayne Rooney plays football, Beckham is a wuss and he plays like those US pussy football players. Remember young Kevin, football (soccer) is a gentleman's game played by thugs and Rugby (US footballs dad) is a thugs game played by gentlemen. Now you've got me going I'm going to shaft the fool with the '02 Explorer.
He's at it again...I guess he figures if he starts enough new threads someone will get p***ed off and not only unf*** the stuff he's already done but get that stupid chinese brand piece of garbage alarm to work properly. ------------- C Renner's Auto Electronix
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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 09, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Chris I'll swear your post belongs to 02 Explorer Alarm and Remote start.  H.
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