pkg4,need to start to program?
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Topic: pkg4,need to start to program?
Posted By: csb41502
Subject: pkg4,need to start to program?
Date Posted: July 21, 2008 at 2:46 PM
ive put up a few different posts about this problem.i got an 01 grand prix gt with a passkey problem.i wanna just bypass the passkey so i could start the vehicle because the car wont even start.will the pkg4 bypass the passkey and be able to program without starting the car?i dont wanna put in a remote start,i just wanna get my car started.
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Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: July 21, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Unplug the PKG4 connector then connect the pink and the pink/white wires on the PKG4 connector together. The car will start with the key unless that key has been erased from the car's memory.
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Posted By: csb41502
Date Posted: July 21, 2008 at 3:12 PM
im not exactly following.do i connect everything else and program it first then do those 2 wires or what order do i do everything?
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: July 21, 2008 at 3:18 PM
You lost me. Select option 1 or option 2 from below: OPTION 1: From what I understand from your post, you would like to start the car with the key. Is this correct? Then once the car starts with the key, you can come back and we can troubleshoot the system. OPTION 2: You trying to do a remote car start installation and are having trouble programming the PKG4? ------------- Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
Posted By: csb41502
Date Posted: July 21, 2008 at 4:56 PM
i wanna just be able to start the car with the key with no remote start cause i cant start the car at all.so those 2 pink wires on the pkg4,do i connect them together first or last?and this will program itself before the car starts right?
Posted By: csb41502
Date Posted: July 21, 2008 at 6:11 PM
one more question,where do i hook the brown wire on the pkg4 unit seeing that i am not using a remote start
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: July 22, 2008 at 7:20 AM
Looks like your answer is OPTION 1: you just want to start with the key and are not interested in getting your remote starter to work. Disconnect all the wires of the PKG4. Now, reconnect the pink wire you cut at the PK3 module in the car. Start car with key. You're done. ------------- Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: July 22, 2008 at 8:40 AM
The brown wire needs to go to a wire that shows (-) whenever the ignition is ON. Connect a relay as follows:
86 - ignition wire in main ignition harness. Should be pink. Not to be confused with the pink wire in the PK3 harness
85 and 87 - ground
30 - brown wire of PKG4
Making a new post every couple days about the same thing gets really annoying, and is against forum rules. You end up having to explain everything that was in your original post, and if you don't people get easily confused because they don't know all the background information.
The PKG4 does not require programming, so hopefully it will work and the car will be able to start. We have no idea if it will work though. You could have other problems preventing the car from starting, like a messed up BCM.
Posted By: csb41502
Date Posted: July 22, 2008 at 9:39 AM
jworm,im sorry for reposting a few times.im just so frustrated with this whole situation,i just dont know what to do anymore.thank u for all your help thru this. bigdog,are u saying to disconnect the whole unit and not use it anymore?im not following what your saying about the pink wires
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: July 22, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Let's start over. You said: csb41502 wrote:
i dont wanna put in a remote start,i just wanna get my car started.
I understand that you are not interested in getting your remote starter to work, but you just want to start your car. If that's the case, remove the PKG4. Follow the wires of the PKG4 to where they're connected in the car. Disconnect all the wires of the PKG4 from the car. You will probably notice that a small pink wire was cut in the car which they connected to the wiring of the PKG4. You need to re-connect this small pink wire which was cut. The car will now start with the key. Here's the wiring diagram: 
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Posted By: csb41502
Date Posted: July 22, 2008 at 10:36 AM
i guess i didnt make it exactly clear.i have nothing in my car.no remote start,no pkg4,nothing.my problem is my car has the passkey3 and it is seriously screwed up.my car wont even start.i bought it for a few hundred dollars and am not even able to drive it..i wanna use the pkg4 if i can to bypass the passkey unit in the car so i can start the car.some people said it might be possible to do that to trick the car into thinking the passkey is disabled.
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: July 22, 2008 at 12:12 PM
 NOW I UNDERSTAND!
Try this: Put a battery charger on the vehicle's battery then procede with the following. 1) If the key is on a key chain, remove it so that it's by itself in the ignition barrel. Turn key to IGN position. 2) Attempt to start, if it fails, leave ign key ON - do not turn key OFF. 3) Wait 10 minutes til security light turns off in instrument panel. 4) Turn key OFF. Wait 5 seconds. 5) Repeat steps 2 to 4 up to three times. 6) When you have done step 4 at the third attempt, start the car. That key should start the car. In the future, if you have a SpeedPass or other transponder key on your keychain, remove them. Transponder keys should be alone or with non-transponder keys. If you still have problems in the future, then follow JWorms suggestion: JWorm] wrote:
he brown wire needs to go to a wire that shows (-) whenever the ignition is ON. Connect a relay as follows:
86 - ignition wire in main ignition harness. Should be pink. Not to be confused with the pink wire in the PK3 harness
85 and 87 - ground
30 - brown wire of PKG4
The PKG4 does not require programming, so hopefully it will work and the car will be able to start. We have no idea if it will work though. You could have other problems preventing the car from starting, like a messed up BCM.
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Posted By: csb41502
Date Posted: July 22, 2008 at 12:24 PM
that dosent work.the light never ever stops blinking.i have changed everything to do with the ignition system(ignition switch/harness,3 different passkey modules,tumbler,key)nothing has helped.thats why i wanna hook up the pkg4 to trick the car into thinking the passkey is off.some people said this is possible and worth a shot
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: July 22, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Yup. Try what JWorm suggested using the PKG4.
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Posted By: lspker
Date Posted: July 23, 2008 at 9:29 PM
if you changed passkey modual and key the car won't start, they need to reprogrammed in, start with all orginal stuff. Did you check the 10 amp fuse that powers the system?
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: July 24, 2008 at 7:37 AM
You know, that's not a bad idea at all to check the fuses. In fact there are two 10 amp fuses related to the Passkey. Both 10 amps. One is labeled PASSKEY (B+ with key off) and the other is ECM (powered with ignition, key on).
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Posted By: csb41502
Date Posted: July 24, 2008 at 8:08 AM
i checked all fuses.those are all fine too.i will put back the original passkey module and key cylinder back in and then hook up the pkg4 and hope it works
Posted By: csb41502
Date Posted: July 25, 2008 at 5:18 PM
ok.little update.i got the pkg4 .connected everything as i should have including the relay like jworm said,and no go.car still wont start and security light still on.i dont even hear the relay click.is it supposed to click?what would happen if i unplugged the passkey harness?
Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: July 25, 2008 at 6:35 PM
The relay will definately click when you turn the key ON, and click again when you turn it OFF. Did you test the ignition wire that you connected to 86?
Posted By: csb41502
Date Posted: July 25, 2008 at 6:39 PM
the relay dont click at all.i even put the wire from 86 straight to batt and still no click.all i read to ground on every single pin is continuity.
Posted By: robertsc
Date Posted: July 25, 2008 at 9:23 PM
if the relay dosn't click when you put it to battery power the other side of the coil isn't seeing ground or you have a bad relay
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: July 25, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Let's ignore the relay temporarily. If you put the brown (ground when running) wire of the PKG4 to ground then try to start your car. Does it start? If so: CONGRATULATIONS! WOO HOO!  If it didn't start, then the relay is the least of your problems.  ------------- Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
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