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Topic: how long to charge 520t?

Posted By: audioinstaller3
Subject: how long to charge 520t?
Date Posted: August 22, 2008 at 7:52 PM

I just put a dei 520t battery backup on my alarm-python 990. How long does it need to charge for before it will work? Also someone said it won't have enough juice to run the parking lights, sirens, and horn. So how do I set it up to make my sirens keep going off when someone breaks into my car and disconnects the battery. I ask cause my neighbor just got his rims jacked and they just disconnected his battery to bypass his alarm. No one even heard it go off. So obviously it was a professional thief.



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Posted By: reax222
Date Posted: August 23, 2008 at 4:21 AM
That would depend on how much power the alarm sends to the battery and how discharged it was. I would think an hour would do for most small batteries.

the battery is 0.7amp/hr, I think it could run your parking lights and siren for a few seconds. However, I would pick up a 12v battery from radioshack or any commercial/residential alarm company or even a motor cycle battery if I was that concerned about it.




Posted By: audioinstaller3
Date Posted: August 23, 2008 at 10:46 AM
So what disconnect the small battery that came with the 520t and add a large 12v like car batter? How the hell would I hide that?




Posted By: audioinstaller3
Date Posted: August 23, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Also I hooked up the blue wire to my -blue input on my alarm, that is also hooked up to my trunk pin. Do I need to diode isolate it, or is it ok the with it just attached. I used a relay to change the cars trunk pin from a + to a negative.




Posted By: reax222
Date Posted: August 23, 2008 at 2:31 PM
No, they make 12v lead acid batteries that are 1/4 of the size of a small car battery. Going from memory, roughly 3"x4"x6", somewhat similar to what is in a computer uninteruptable power supply.




Posted By: audioinstaller3
Date Posted: August 23, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Well what the hell is the point of having a 520t if it doesn't have enough power to make the alarm go off if someone disconnects my battery. Guess I'm just screwed.




Posted By: reax222
Date Posted: August 23, 2008 at 5:16 PM
It can make it go off. I just think it doesn't supply enough current for long operation. 0.7Ahr capacity, I'd suspect the brain needs at least a full amp to trigger and sustain the siren. Figure four 5 watt bulbs, so 20 watts total for turn signals, that's almost 2 amps. Leading me to believe that lights and siren will cost you 3 amps minimum. At 3 amps, your roughly 4 times the Ahr output, so maybe 15 minutes of run at best. A single shorted filament could take that down to a chirp.

With all of the leads, it looks like it is designed to be an add on module for alarms without the option for a B/U battery. With some diode isolation and possibly a charging circuit in the little box.

My Alarm does have a separate pinout for a battery back up, so two wire would be all I needed, but I don't think this is a common feature for alarms. This part is probably for consumer to feel good more so then a professional option.




Posted By: audioinstaller3
Date Posted: August 23, 2008 at 9:53 PM
so how long should the backup battery make my alarm system go off for, if the battery is disconnected. I really only need it to go off for about 2-3 minutes. Because by then it will either scare the thieves away, or I will be out their with my bat to kick some ass.




Posted By: audioinstaller3
Date Posted: August 23, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Ok I think I got it figured out. I'm going to hook up the blue wire from the 520t to my alarms gray hood pin wire. Since if they open my hood or disable my battery it will show up on my pager as someone messing with my hood. I guess I will diode isolate it also. Also I guess since my parking lights are negative they wouldn't make any current draw on my alarm. So I should be good with the back up battery as far as it making everything work, till I can get outside to kick someones face in. I hate thieves




Posted By: reax222
Date Posted: August 24, 2008 at 2:43 AM
I wouldn't ground to the hood pin. If you only have one ground to the battery it will only be grounded when the hood pin is. I don't believe the battery will charge if the hood is closed and the pin is not grounded.

I agree that since your parking lights are ground trigger that they will not work if your battery is cut. The alarm will send it a ground and not thing will happen since your car's battery will provide the voltage.




Posted By: audioinstaller3
Date Posted: August 24, 2008 at 11:13 AM
why wouldn't it charge. It's still getting the power from the battery, and sending power to the alarm brain. The blue wire is an output, so its not doing anything until someone disconnects my battery. So my alarm will be going off if they open my hood because of the hood pin. then when they cut my battery, my backup battery will trigger the alarm




Posted By: reax222
Date Posted: August 24, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Since it has input and output it should charge, but it will only supply power if the hood is open and while the hood is open. So when they cut the battery cable, and shut the hood the battery will disconnect again.




Posted By: audioinstaller3
Date Posted: August 24, 2008 at 7:15 PM
It's a trigger..once it's triggered the alarm its going to keep going off...its not like if you open the door the alarm goes off and you close it and the alarm stops. The battery is always charging. It's in line with the cars 12v and the alarms 12v input. So if they pop my hood, cut my battery power. The alarm will keep going off because then the backup battery will sense the cut and trigger the alarm. It doesn't matter what trigger wire I have it hooked up to. Either the trunk trigger or hood pin..but with my 2 way lcd pager it will show the hood open msg when its tagged to the hood pin..if I have it on my trunk it will show my trunk open. It's just supposed to give my alarm that extra few minutes of siren time to attract more attn. and to wake me and the neighbors up.




Posted By: jasonlipka
Date Posted: August 26, 2009 at 3:20 PM
audioinstaller3 wrote:

It's a trigger..once it's triggered the alarm its going to keep going off...its not like if you open the door the alarm goes off and you close it and the alarm stops. The battery is always charging. It's in line with the cars 12v and the alarms 12v input. So if they pop my hood, cut my battery power. The alarm will keep going off because then the backup battery will sense the cut and trigger the alarm. It doesn't matter what trigger wire I have it hooked up to. Either the trunk trigger or hood pin..but with my 2 way lcd pager it will show the hood open msg when its tagged to the hood pin..if I have it on my trunk it will show my trunk open. It's just supposed to give my alarm that extra few minutes of siren time to attract more attn. and to wake me and the neighbors up.


How about hooking it to the instant trigger of the optional sensor port? Then it wouldn't show up as hood or trunk, it would show up as Zone 4. Although, I'm still not sure how someone is going to disconnect your battery without opening the hood????




Posted By: jcs091570
Date Posted: September 24, 2009 at 12:49 AM
Check out post topic "dei 520 battery backup quick" and see the little project I put together for my alarm system. Just be creative and find a unique spot to hide it in the interior of your vehicle. A battery like the one I got will cost between 20-30$ 





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