1997 subaru legacy central locking issue
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Printed Date: May 03, 2024 at 7:40 AM
Topic: 1997 subaru legacy central locking issue
Posted By: chizzy
Subject: 1997 subaru legacy central locking issue
Date Posted: September 08, 2008 at 7:56 PM
long time reader, first time poster. i've just got myself a "BlackHawk V2000" GPS tracking system for my 1997 Subaru Legacy work car to install as a demonstration for customers. it has the capabilty to recieve a text from your cell phone to lock and unlock the doors but the central locking diagrams that come with it do not give a description of wiring for single wire CDL systems like that of my car and also only has 5 wires instead of the usual 6. digrams from install manual are as follows: 3 WIRE NEGATIVE- 1 - Not Used 2 - Negative Unlock Wire 3 - To Ground 4 - Not Used 5 - Negative Lock Wire 3 WIRE POSITIVE- 1 - Not Used 2 - Positive Unlock Wire 3 - To Fused +12V 4 - Not Used 5 - Positive Lock Wire 5 WIRE ALTERNATING- 1 - To Unlock Switch 2 - To Unlock Motor 3 - To Fused +12V 4 - To Lock Switch 5 - To Lock Motor ACTUATORS / REVERSE POLARITY- 1 - ----------------------------------- connect to 4 2 - To Actuator 3 - To Fused +12V 4 - ----------------------------------- connect to 1 5 - To Actuator I did some cross referencing with another alarm im familiar with and came up with: 1 - Not Used 2 & 5 - Relay Side of Control Wire 3 - Ground 4 - Door Side Of Control Wire do you know if this would work or if im gonna need extra relays. if so, where can i find a diagram? thanks in advance ------------- NZ REPRESENT
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Posted By: reax222
Date Posted: September 08, 2008 at 9:09 PM
I am still kind of new at this, but I take it you have the single wire with resistors type system?
Posted By: chizzy
Date Posted: September 08, 2008 at 9:58 PM
not exactly sure. i haven't actuallty started the install yet as its raining :( but i've done many of these cars before and they all use what the alarm manuals call "single wire CDL" so i know mine will be aswell. there is one wire in the drivers kickpanel that changes from a ground to a power depending on what the drivers door lock is doing. eg, its showing a ground with a probe so you flick a power onto it and it locks but as soon as you disconnect that power, it unlocks again. when you cut this control wire, all doors go to either locked or unlocked (i forget but it's one or the other) Do you follow? then normally the connections would be as follows: 1 - Connect to CDL Relay Side of Control Wire 2 - Ground 3 - Cut Off And Insulate, Not Used 4 - Connect to CDL Relay Side of Control Wire 5 - Cut Off And Insulate, Not Used 6 - Connect To Door Side Of Control Wire but this new blackhawk only has 5 central locking wires which got me stumped haha these were taken from the manual of an AVS alarm which i have used many times and had no problem with. link to install manual of AVS alarm: https://www.avs.net.nz/uploads/dealer_area/AVS_3010.pdf relay diagram is at the top of page 9 ------------- NZ REPRESENT
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: September 08, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Chizzy,
That Subaru will need to have an actuator added to the driver's door, as the factory central locking system did not come with one.
Your manual may have information on how to wire an added aftermarket actuator; if it doesn't look here.
Install that and the rest of them will move automatically whenever your aftermarket actuator does. ------------- C Renner's Auto Electronix
My service is cheap, quick, and good - pick any two
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 09, 2008 at 10:24 AM
I can show you photos of how to do it on an Impreza even if it's the opposite door to you, It's a pain and you have to move the channel to get the motor in. PM me with your email address. On thinking further I'm with Chris on the Imprezza needing an actuator but I remember doing a Legacy at the time which was 1 wire locking, the principle being that you apply a neg to the wire to unlock and open circuit via a relay (or from your unit if you have 6 lock wires)to lock it OR vice versa This diagramme should be on this sight or any DEI install guide except Arrow 5
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 09, 2008 at 10:37 AM
Look at the lock section on this sight, Nissan Sentra, it's the same system.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 09, 2008 at 10:47 AM
OK, I've just been to this sight and Directechs, this sight* isn't sure DEI says it's a one wire system, if you've only got a 2 wire output use a relay as in the diagramme I mentioned in the previous post. Sorry about the "wrong way round door" I just realised that unlike the US you also drive on the proper side and before Chris jumps down my throat we ALL drove on the left before Henry Ford and Andre Citroen. * I refuse to spell sight the American way even if they are right, (NOT rite) it's a privilage of age. Thank you.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 09, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Chizzy, your second post has it exactly right, you will do no damage if you get the leads the wrong way round. Got to help the colonials.
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: September 09, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Bullet Tooth Tony: A bookie's got blagged last night.
Avi: Blagged? Tony, speak English. I thought this country spawned the f***ing language, and so far nobody seems to speak it.
Anyway, here's the diagram you'd use for single wire locking, however I'm still inclined to think that you need an actuator. U.S. spec Legacys of that year and earlier did not have one in the driver's door.
If your passenger door actuator will lock and unlock all the doors then an actuator is unnecessary - also if that wire you mentioned before was actuating all doors including the driver's door, the same applies. ------------- C Renner's Auto Electronix
My service is cheap, quick, and good - pick any two
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 09, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Actualy it's a New Ziland spec mite (that's my attempt at an strine accent), what do you call an intelligent Australian--- a New Zealander Poor jokes aside Australian and New Zealand vehicles will be either Jap or UK spec. If UK they wil have multipoint locking.As a point of interest Sweden changed to RH drive in 1958 and in Italy they drove on left in towns and right in country or vice versa, till about 1952, in one of the first two Godfather movies Pacino goes back to Sicily and you see him driving a RH drive Lancia or Alfa Romeo. Mind you back in the 60's when Europe got Colour TV, UK and Germany went Pal, France and Russia went SECAM and the Italians transmitted both!
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 09, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Blagging specifically means a robbery also to "pull something off" did you notice how I managed to insult Australians, New Zealanders, Japanese and the Italians all in one short post! I make Kar Tune Man sound like a Liberal! Wait until I do sheep jokes and manage to involve the Welsh. They are never going to print ths.
Posted By: chizzy
Date Posted: September 09, 2008 at 5:40 PM
thanks for all your help guys, finally i've found a forum thats actuallt ALIVE! haha. anyway, chriswallace187 wrote:
Bullet Tooth Tony: A bookie's got blagged last night.
Avi: Blagged? Tony, speak English. I thought this country spawned the f***ing language, and so far nobody seems to speak it.
Anyway, here's the diagram you'd use for single wire locking, however I'm still inclined to think that you need an actuator. U.S. spec Legacys of that year and earlier did not have one in the driver's door.
If your passenger door actuator will lock and unlock all the doors then an actuator is unnecessary - also if that wire you mentioned before was actuating all doors including the driver's door, the same applies.
cheers for that , my tech guy over here ended up getting back to me with this same diagram so hopefully all goes to plan. in regards to a door lock actuator, im pretty sure i won't need one as it's got keyless entry. i'm just off to start the install now so will be back in a few hours to tell all how it went. wish me luck, im going in. :P ------------- NZ REPRESENT
Posted By: chizzy
Date Posted: September 09, 2008 at 5:45 PM
actually before i go, because this is going to be a demo vehicle for customers, does anyone have any ideas on crazy addons that i can put on the alarm to show what can be done besides just the normal old siren? eg, i was thinking about hooking up a smoke machine and strobe light underneath the car to draw even more attention when it goes off. now try and tell me you wouldnt just keep walking if you saw that... ------------- NZ REPRESENT
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 09, 2008 at 5:54 PM
No but since you're a New Zealander I'd probably give you some sheep shagging jokes, oh boy are they going to throw me off this forum.
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: September 09, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Well on the positive side chizzy you a. pretty well know what you're doing on this car b. can take a joke.
If you have keyless I'll say too that you don't need an actuator...I've as mentioned been going by my experience with U.S. spec Subies.
Also Howie...that's an impressive display of ethnic insensitivity. Have you heard the one about how copper wire was invented?
I'm assuming the Welsh get the same stereotypes that West Virginians do here, i.e. they marry their sisters, engage in bestiality, etc.
Additionally you may be interested to know that U.S. Subaru owners (with the slight exception of the WRX/STI) are either hippies who've learned how to bathe regularly or those who live "alternative lifestyles". How is it in the rest of the world?
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C Renner's Auto Electronix
My service is cheap, quick, and good - pick any two
Posted By: chizzy
Date Posted: September 10, 2008 at 1:10 AM
haha crack up. well to be honest, i'm originally from aussie so wen someone tells a kiwi joke i say, i dont care, i'm aussie and vice versa. best of both worlds :) well i guess there are some hippies and people who live as you say an "alternative lifestyle" but no, subarus are soooooo common over here mostly owned by boyracers and people with enough money to fix the damn things. also you've probably heard of a NZ town called Queenstown....Adventure capital of the world. but if you go there, no joke every second car is a subaru legacy/liberty. perfect for the alpine regions you see.
.....Anywho....
install went pretty well, didnt need a door motor and all is working well. unfortunately to set up the GPS tracking online, you need to pay the $60 annual fee upfront and guess what?.. i've only got $11 in my bank account at the moment so will have to wait till tomorrow to do that part haha.
really appreciate the help from all of you
cheers
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NZ REPRESENT
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 10, 2008 at 1:17 AM
Glad you got it sorted, Chris email me about the copper wire, yes I've seen Deliverance even if it was Louisiana (damn now I've insulted I'm an Idiot), our West Virginia is called Norfolk, cleft palates etc etc. Thank God (that's great coming from me) I'm not PC and there are others like me and also people like Chizzy who can take these jokes in such good grace. My sister had a Subie, naturally it never went wrong but it was between an Isuzu Trooper and her current BMW 120
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