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dei 160xvl remote start issue

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Topic: dei 160xvl remote start issue

Posted By: lexelite
Subject: dei 160xvl remote start issue
Date Posted: September 10, 2008 at 1:30 AM

Car: 1990 Nissan Sentra - No factory alarm

Issue: Everything works, except the remote start. 

Symptoms: No diagnostics from LED- does not engage remote start at all. 

This is just about the easiest car to install an alarm in, however, I cannot get the remote start part of the unit to respond at all.  I have verified the tach AC voltage, learned the tach wire on the alarm with a confirm honk, checked fuses, grounded neutral safety wire.

Everything else works except the remote start. 

I used the wiring diagram for the car from here and verified the inputs.

These are the wires that I did not hook up:

1) remote start aux harness (ribbon used to brain)

2) H1/1 - RED / White- Channel 2 output

3) H1/7- Blue - Second Unlock Output

4) H1/9- BLACK/ White- Domelight Supervision

5) H1/10- WHITE/ Blue- Remote Start Activation Input (?)

6) H1/12- Orange- Armed Output

7) Relay Satellite- RED / White- High Current Input

8) Relay Satellite- Pink/White- Output to second IGN

9) H2/ [All]- Channel 4, Factory Rearm, Wait to Start, Factory Disarm

Can anyone please provide suggestions?  




Replies:

Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: September 10, 2008 at 8:04 AM
Connect #7 to 12volts.  Did you get BOTH starter wires connected as well?

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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 10, 2008 at 8:20 AM
Who's a clever boy then, Happy Birthday Gary.




Posted By: megaman
Date Posted: September 10, 2008 at 9:03 AM
the ribbon harness, you listed that you did NOT hook up the ribbon harness.  Are you refering to the ribbon harness from the brain to the XCRS Relay pack?




Posted By: lexelite
Date Posted: September 10, 2008 at 9:20 AM
KarTuneMan wrote:

Connect #7 to 12volts.    Did you get BOTH starter wires connected  as well?


Yes, I connected both starter wires as the car starts and runs fine with the key.

Just the remote start is doing absolutely nothing. Not even lighting up one light on the dash.

Secondly, I will wire #7 to 12 volts this afternoon and let you know.




Posted By: lexelite
Date Posted: September 10, 2008 at 9:26 AM
megaman wrote:

the ribbon harness, you listed that you did NOT hook up the ribbon harness.   Are you refering to the ribbon harness from the brain to the XCRS Relay pack?


That post was meant to be interpreted that I did hook up the ribbon satellite harness from the satellite to the brain, therefore I did not hook up the the satellite AUX remote start harness

On this AUX harness, there are connections to trigger optional relays and 1 remote start output activation

I figured the remote start output activation was if you chose to install a remote start standalone unit separate from the brain.






Posted By: lexelite
Date Posted: September 10, 2008 at 9:30 AM
I am starting to think that the:

5) H1/10- WHITE/ Blue- Remote Start Activation Input (?)


should be wired to the Satellite Relay AUX harness- Remote Start Activation Output (Even though I think that this is for a standalone remote start unit)

Can anyone please confirm or deny this?




Posted By: lexelite
Date Posted: September 10, 2008 at 11:11 AM

KarTuneMan wrote:

Connect #7 to 12volts

I connected #7 from the Satellite Relay (RED / White) to +12V Constant and it did not help.

I should also note that I did not install anything on the hood pin wire or door pin wires.  So this should not stop the car from remote starting.

Any more suggestions? 





Posted By: megaman
Date Posted: September 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM

The WHITE/ Blue is for adding this remote start to an existing system.  You do not have to hook this up to anything.  I always ignore this wire.

The hood pin and door pins wires do not have to be hooked up, just be sure that you tape up the ends so that the hood pin wire doesn't touch ground.  This would stop the remote start from firing up.  Make sure your neutral safety switch is toggled so that the BLACK/ White wire shows ground.  Without ground at that input, the RS will not try to fire up.

Make sure that the brake showdown input (brown) is not showing 12V+ when your foot is OFF the brake.  Other than programming the RS sequence to more than two pulses, that's pretty much it.





Posted By: lexelite
Date Posted: September 10, 2008 at 11:34 AM
megaman wrote:

The WHITE/ Blue is for adding this remote start to an existing system.  You do not have to hook this up to anything.  I always ignore this wire.

The hood pin and door pins wires do not have to be hooked up, just be sure that you tape up the ends so that the hood pin wire doesn't touch ground.  This would stop the remote start from firing up.  Make sure your neutral safety switch is toggled so that the BLACK/ White wire shows ground.  Without ground at that input, the RS will not try to fire up.

Make sure that the brake showdown input (brown) is not showing 12V+ when your foot is OFF the brake.  Other than programming the RS sequence to more than two pulses, that's pretty much it.


I always tape up the unused wires.  Thanks for letting me know that that should be unwired.

I will verify that the brake is not sending a 12+ constant, as it will act like an open hood pin.

I will also bypass the toggle switch all together and give it a constant ground to the neutral saftey switch.





Posted By: lexelite
Date Posted: September 10, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Is it possible that I might need a stronger ground to the alarm brain? The current ground is good enough to run everything else, however, starting the car might need a better connection.

Any suggestions?




Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: September 10, 2008 at 1:43 PM

i wouldnt think that would be the problem....    when you say "everything else works"   what do you mean?  doors lock and unlock?  do the park lights flash when you hit the lock unlock buttons?  (this will tell you that the ant and remotes are ok)

only things that will prevent RS is a shorted gray hood pin wire or an open BLACK/ white NSS wire..... unplug the connector from the brain and meter the grey hood pin wire to verify it is open...it may be shorting going thru the firewall... also meter the BLACK/ white NSS wire to verify that it is seeing ground all the time....

are you pressing the RS button 2 times within 4 seconds?  as is the default ?    (i always program this model to 1 press activation on DEI's recommendation).....



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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979




Posted By: lexelite
Date Posted: September 10, 2008 at 1:58 PM
kgerry wrote:

i wouldnt think that would be the problem....    when you say "everything else works"     what do you mean?   doors lock and unlock?   do the park lights flash when you hit the lock unlock buttons?   (this will tell you that the ant and remotes are ok)




Yes, doors unlock, lock fine- LED, horn honk, and parking lights flash and works via remote.


kgerry wrote:

only things that will prevent RS is a shorted gray hood pin wire or an open BLACK/ white NSS wire.....  unplug the connector from the brain and meter the grey hood pin wire to verify it is open...it may be shorting going thru the firewall... also meter the BLACK/ white NSS wire to verify that it is seeing ground all the time....




I will verify this later on today with a multimeter...


kgerry wrote:

are you pressing the RS button 2 times within 4 seconds?   as is the default ?    (i always program this model to 1 press activation on DEI's recommendation).....





Yes, I press it twice within 3 seconds on the remote. I even tried tapping the remote start activation wire by hand twice on a good ground, effectively bypassing any problem with the remote.




Posted By: lexelite
Date Posted: September 11, 2008 at 1:27 PM
As soon as I cut the brake wire, the car started without hesitation.

The brake input wire was providing a 12+ constant.

Now, I can finish the install.

Thanks for all the help.





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