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viper remote start, 08 honda element

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Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: viper remote start, 08 honda element

Posted By: devilchrist1
Subject: viper remote start, 08 honda element
Date Posted: August 22, 2008 at 4:12 PM

Hi,

Like the subject, I need a wiring diagram for 07/08 element EX.  Planning on install viper5900 with remote start.

Thanks



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Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: August 22, 2008 at 8:08 PM
posted_imageBattery WHITE (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS 
posted_imageIgnition 1 BLACK / YELLOW (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS 
posted_imageIgnition 2 BLACK/ RED (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS 
posted_imageAccessory 1 WHITE/ RED (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS 
posted_imageStarter 1 BLACK/ WHITE (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS 
posted_imageAnti-Theft Type UNIVERSAL IMMOBILIZER 
posted_imageAnti-Theft Descript THE KEY SENDS AN RF SIGNAL TO THE BCM MODULE THROUGH AN ANTENNA LOCATED AROUND THE IGNITION CYLINDER 
posted_imageKey Sense RED / WHITE (-) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS posted_image
posted_imageTachometer BLUE (AC) AT ECM MODULE BEHIND GLOVEBOX 
posted_imageSpeed Sense BLUE/WHITE (AC) AT ECM MODULE BEHIND GLOVEBOX  posted_image
posted_imageParking Lights RED / YELLOW (+) AT UNDER DASH FUSEBOX 
posted_imageLow Crr. Pk Lights BLUE (-) IN GREEN PLUG NEAR STEERING COLUMN BEHIND DRIVERS SIDE OF DASH 
posted_imageBrake Lights WHITE/ BLACK (+) AT SWITCH ABOVE PEDAL 
posted_imageReverse Lights GREEN/ BLACK (+) AT FUSE PANEL UNDER STEERING COLUMN 
posted_imageHorn ORANGE (-) IN GREEN PLUG NEAR STEERING COLUMN BEHIND DRIVERS SIDE OF DASH 
posted_imageAlarm Indicator WHITE (+) IN GREEN PLUG NEAR STEERING COLUMN BEHIND DRIVERS SIDE OF DASH 
 

 





Posted By: devilchrist1
Date Posted: August 25, 2008 at 9:25 AM

Thanks in advance.

going to be installing Viper 5900 w/ remote start

was wondering if the wiring is same as 2003 element?



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Posted By: ckeeler
Date Posted: August 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM

the wiring on the 08 is different. here you go.

12 VOLT CONSTANT

 

WHITE (+)

 

IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS

  
 STARTER BLACK/ WHITE (+)  IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS   
 STARTER 2 N/A   
 IGNITION 1 BLACK / YELLOW (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS  
 IGNITION 2 N/A    
 IGNITION 3 N/A     
 ACCESSORY /HEATER BLOWER 1 BLACK/ RED (+)  IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS   
 ACCESSORY /HEATER BLOWER 2 WHITE/ RED (+)  IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS   
 KEYSENSE N/A     
 PARKING LIGHTS ( - ) BLUE (-)  @ FACTORY ALARM Plug, See NOTE *2   
 PARKING LIGHTS ( + ) RED / BLACK (+)  @ BACK OF FUSEBOX   
 POWER LOCK WHITE/ BLUE (TYPE B)  IN DRIVER KICK PANEL at DOOR HARNESS   
 POWER UNLOCK WHITE/ GREEN (TYPE B)  IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL, at DOOR HARNESS   
 LOCK MOTOR WIRE YELLOW/BLACK (+)  IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL   
 DOOR TRIGGER GREEN (-) and GRAY/BLACK (-) Use both, See NOTE *1  @ FACTORY ALARM PLUG, See NOTE *2  
 DOMELIGHT SUPERVISION GREEN/ RED (-), Requires Part #775 Relay  BACK OF FUSEBOX   
 TRUNK RELEASE N/A     
 SLIDING POWER DOOR N/A     
 HORN ORANGE (-)  @ STEERING COLUMN HARNESS   
 TACH BLUE  @ ECM/PCM, BEHIND GLOVEBOX, PIN E25   
 WAIT TO START LIGHT N/A     
 BRAKE WHITE/ BLACK (+)  @ SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL   
 FACTORY ALARM DISARM  N/A     
 ANTI-THEFT TRANSPONDER ANTI-THEFT SYSTEM, REQUIRES 791 BYPASS MODULE AND EXTRA IGNITION KEY, Standard on all Models  TRANSPONDER @ IGNITION SWITCH TUMBLER   
NOTES
 NOTE *1 THE DRIVERS DOOR TRIGGER IS GREEN (-) AND THE PASSENGER DOOR TRIGGER IS GRAY/BLACK (-). WHEN CONNECTING TO AN ALARM SYSTEM, USE BOTH DOOR TRIGGER WIRES AND DIODE ISOLATE, See DIAGRAM

NOTE *2 THE FACTORY ALARM PLUG IS LOCATED LEFT OF THE STEERING COLUMN IN A GREEN PLUG.




Posted By: devilchrist1
Date Posted: August 27, 2008 at 4:52 PM

And a couple of questions regarding install.

All this time I've been fumbling my way through 571vx install manual thinking it was 791vx.. when a common sense should have told me, there's no antena input, no shock sensor input, etc.. that it was not the correct manual.

But alas. I have found a page of Quick wiring reference guide.

Any help regarding the manul would be much apprciated.

Thanks in advance.



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Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: August 27, 2008 at 9:22 PM




Posted By: devilchrist1
Date Posted: August 28, 2008 at 12:14 AM

I'm confused on these 4 wires.   I understand the Power lock/unlocks are for the doors. but what's the Lock/Unlock  Motor?

DIRECTWIRE™ WIRING INFORMATION - HONDA / ELEMENT / 2004 / Remote Start

Power Lock WHITE/ blue   -   driver kick, door harness
Power Unlock WHITE/ green   -   driver kick, door harness
Lock Motor yellow/black   5wi DKP or back of fuse box, top left
Unlock Motor YELLOW /GREEN   5wi DKP or back of fuse box, top left



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Posted By: devilchrist1
Date Posted: August 28, 2008 at 12:22 AM

thank you so much.. cleared up much of the confusion

is these connections required?

relay key switch interface

RED / WHITE (+) 12V input  Connection for high current outputs.

H1/1 ORANGE (-) ground-when-armed output  This wire supplies a (-)500 mA ground as long as the system is armed. This output ceases as soon as the system is disarmed. The orange wire may be wired to an optional Directed Electronics 8618 starter kill relay.



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Posted By: ckeeler
Date Posted: August 29, 2008 at 3:08 PM
these are the wires that go directly to the motor in the driver side door. in nearly all cases these are not used. the info is provided though, for installs that will have driver door priority but do not have a wire or double pulse feature in the vehicle to actvate that feaure.




Posted By: devilchrist1
Date Posted: October 01, 2008 at 1:52 PM

I testing the install of alarm viper 5900 on my 2008 element.

after locking myself in the car and arming the alarm I can still use the key to start the engine.  Is this normal?  If I dont' want this to happen do I need to add additional relay?

Install manual says I can add a starter kill relay DEI 8618.  is this what I have to do in order to prevent the above?



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Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: October 01, 2008 at 2:06 PM
If you didn't install a starter kill relay then your alarm won't have starter kill.

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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: devilchrist1
Date Posted: October 01, 2008 at 2:23 PM

So I just have to add high amperage relay to the the line that goes from alarm module to Starter motor right?

and connect the orage status output wire as the activitaion for the relay?



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Posted By: tall technician
Date Posted: October 01, 2008 at 2:57 PM

once the xcrs is hooked up as it should be, the starter kill will function, on the xcrs there's a a green and purple wire, cut the starter wire in car, and hook green to the side coming from the key switch, and purple to the side going to the engine. once armed u won't be able to start with the keys but u will be able to remote start. the additional relay and the orange wire won;t be necessary. hope it helps. 



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Posted By: megaman
Date Posted: October 01, 2008 at 3:08 PM
with the XRCS installed properly, the alarm will also sound if your ignition turns on.




Posted By: devilchrist1
Date Posted: October 01, 2008 at 5:43 PM

Alarm does sound but car still starts. 

tall technician, what you're talking about si the relay satellite wire connections?  Yes I did cut the starter wire and connect the purple towards the starter and green to the starter input (key side)

Quoting the instrall manual, it says ""GREEN STARTER INPUT" for anti grind or starter kill attach this wire to the key side of the starter wire for antigrind and for the starter kill to be active."



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Posted By: devilchrist1
Date Posted: October 01, 2008 at 5:46 PM
also when I use the remote start feature ( I do not have immobilizer bypass working yet) engine does crank, so i'm going to assume that I did use the correct wire,  ( I also tested the wire using DMM to check for voltage whlie cranking with key.)

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Posted By: tall technician
Date Posted: October 01, 2008 at 9:33 PM

check to make sure u've got the ignition and accessory wires hooked up right and not in reverse. if the pink is hooked to an accesory circuit, the alarm will sound, but the car will still crank.



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Posted By: devilchrist1
Date Posted: October 06, 2008 at 12:34 PM

I'm having trouble bypassing the immobilizer on my install on the 08 Honda element.  I have Viper 5900.  I have tried both the PKH34 from bypass kit using install method "A", as well as DEI 556U unit using the antena ring meathod.

using either one, I cannot get the car to start.  It cranks.  but does not start.

some tests I've done.

With key in the ignition at off position, remote start cranks but no start,

with key in the ignition at ON position, restart start works

Am I missing a wire connection to the factory immobilizer, to get it to activate?

could not having connected the 2nd accessory wire cause this issue?

Thanks In advance.



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Posted By: ckeeler
Date Posted: October 06, 2008 at 12:39 PM
you have missed a wire that needs to be powered. if it was an immobilizer issue it would start with the key in the ignition in the off position. with the key in the lock cylinder and turned to "ignition", it sounds like you are powering another circuit that you were not powering before.




Posted By: devilchrist1
Date Posted: October 06, 2008 at 2:48 PM

I see no other connection being necesary.  One last thing I have to check, i realized, i need to check if i have connected the pink wire to the correct ignition wire on the car. 



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Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: October 06, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Since it does work fine with the ignition key on:

You've either got:

A: main ignition wire not powered at all.

B: Ignition and accessory reversed, and your ignition is dropping out during crank.

C: You've got the right ignition wire, but a poor connection, defective remote starter, et cetera.

Try this:

1. Turn on radio at a moderate volume, turn heater fan on at medium speed. Turn key back off.

2. Hit the remote start, and observe the radio, the heater, and all those warning lights that come on on the dashboard.

3. Radio and heat should drop out during the time the remote starter is cranking, but all those dash warning lights should stay on.

P.S. If you didn't power up the second-accessory wire (the one that does the radio), that's OK too. I usually leave that unpowered, so the radio remains off during remote start.




Posted By: devilchrist1
Date Posted: October 06, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Thanks!.  I'll try that tonight.  I'm thinking that it has to be the ignition is dropping out.  Like you said I either have the ignition output from the alarm in 2nd accessories wire, or it's reversed.

I think from my memmory though that radio and fan drops out.  So i think i have the ignition connected to the 2nd accessory wire.



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Posted By: devilchrist1
Date Posted: November 11, 2008 at 11:31 AM

what does "5wi" mean? when it's in the polarity column?



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Posted By: ckeeler
Date Posted: November 11, 2008 at 11:43 AM
5 wire reverse polarity





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