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Two 2003 nissan sentras. Had circuit city install these "Python 1400XP Remote Start/Keyless Entry Systems"

Link to product:

https://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Python-1400XP-Remote-Start-Keyless-Entry-System-Python-1400XP/sem/rpsm/oid/119439/catOid/-13097/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

Says anti-grind in the features. I thought this was the thing that prevented you from getting in the car after it was remotely start, and turning the key to far and listening to the starter engaging?

Both of the cars seem to grind if we turn the key to far while the car is running off the remote start. I had a jeep with a remote start and it never did this crap!!

The anti grind isnt working on the sentra, is it?

cary it back to the shop and let them check to see if they have the antigrind circuitry programmed on.

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Agreed with t&t tech...also you would want to make sure that they cut the starter wire in the first place when wiring to the relay satellite. Some shops don't do that for whatever reason.

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chriswallace187 wrote:

Agreed with t&t tech...also you would want to make sure that they cut the starter wire in the first place when wiring to the relay satellite. Some shops don't do that for whatever reason.

true, true isn't it? laziness abounds sometimes.

Wouldn't you need to add an extra relay to make the anti grind feature work with a stand alone remote start? All the alarm/remote starts I've put in use the starter kill relay for the anti grind feature. On a remote start / keyless unit you have no starter kill relay.

If you take it back to CC I would expect a charge for the relay and the installation to add this feature.

I've never seen it done through the starter relay as mentioned above - how exactly does that work?

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Kevin Pierson

KPierson wrote:

Wouldn't you need to add an extra relay to make the anti grind feature work with a stand alone remote start? All the alarm/remote starts I've put in use the starter kill relay for the anti grind feature. On a remote start / keyless unit you have no starter kill relay.
If you take it back to CC I would expect a charge for the relay and the installation to add this feature.
I've never seen it done through the starter relay as mentioned above - how exactly does that work?

Ive seen many RS/keyless units with no alarm that had a relay, some even built in with 2 wires coming out of the brain for the start wire. all OMEGA keyless entries have a starter kill relay with them. I have no clue why since its not an alarm only keyless entry, but none the less, they do.

i never wire up antigrind

i also charge extra to do it

did you pay to hitched up?

usually after i explain to the customer that if they lock the vehicle

then if relay, they lose the remote goes bad or it quits working that they won't be able to start there car

they usually decide they don't want it

robertsc wrote:

i never wire up antigrind
i also charge extra to do it
did you pay to hitched up?
usually after i explain to the customer that if they lock the vehicle
then if relay, they lose the remote goes bad or it quits working that they won't be able to start there car
they usually decide they don't want it

how do you figure that? anti-grind relay should only be activated during remote start. once not activated, term 30 and 87a connect the start wire together, so even if you never had another remote again, the car is always going to start.

the way dei piece work is that the anti grind output is also a ground when armed

that is the ORANGE / black wire

so as soon as you lock the car with the remote you also have starter kill

thats the way i always understood it worked

I dont see how they managed to not have the anti-grind feature on unless they programmed it out. I put in hundreds of the python 1600xp's and thousands of 562ts and never had one not anti-grind...

robertsc wrote:

the way dei piece work is that the anti grind output is also a ground when armed
that is the ORANGE / black wire
so as soon as you lock the car with the remote you also have starter kill
thats the way i always understood it worked

i never knew that posted_image

Can I be the ref here guys??? I think you're ALL BASICLY RIGHT ....BUT if the R/S (and I haven't looked at a diagrame for this one) has 2 starter leads, ie for key side and starter side, then surely an immobiliser relay/come antigrind is inbuilt? But has to be programmed, maybe that wasn't done?

that model comes with it built in

As the Latins said, Quad erat demonstrato, or I've done 840 miles today to do 4 installs and I'm sick of the sight of airport security, having to shove my tool bag through excess baggage etc etc so I can't think it through. Why do they always sit Jabba the Hut next to me on flights?

It is built in and wasnt hooked up. He said it was only one wire and it took him 20 minutes to hook it up. Gonna bring the other car in friday for him to hook it up on that one too.

Im gonna check tomorrow about the starter kill stuff. I know, before the anti grind hook up today, that i could lock my car with the remote, enter the car with my key, without unlocking the car with the remote, and i could still start the car with the key. Hopefully tomorrow i will still be able to see the same results. No bother though, i dont plan on loosing BOTH of the remotes. I am not tha carless :)

i always understood that on DEI starter kill/anti grind remote starts, that the purple and green wires coming off of the XCRS satellite relay handled both features. I might be wrong, but if i remember right, (been a while since i installed DEI products) the starter kill engaged when you armed the system and disengaged (allowed it to start) when you disarmed the system. Also, it wouldn't crank the starter again when it's already been engaged with the remote start. The only wires hooked to the starter wire are the large gauge purple and green wires anyways......right?

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I just recently installed a newer DEI remote start that had the XCRS and the two starter wires. I locked the doors with the DEI remote and then tried to start the car and it started fine. I then remote started the vehicle and tried to crank it and it did not crank. On my unit (it's a Valet something) there is no starter kill.

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Kevin Pierson

robertsc wrote:

the way dei piece work is that the anti grind output is also a ground when armed
that is the ORANGE / black wire
so as soon as you lock the car with the remote you also have starter kill
thats the way i always understood it worked

i dunno on dei systems, but on the compustars you can set in the programming if you want to do starterkill only, anti-grind/starterkill, or only antigrind. so if you set it to antigrind only, it doesnt matter if the car is armed or not.