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starter interupt, stinger 200 amp relay

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Topic: starter interupt, stinger 200 amp relay

Posted By: Atl_monte
Subject: starter interupt, stinger 200 amp relay
Date Posted: December 01, 2008 at 4:20 PM

I have a stinger 200 amp relay I was wondering if it would be
Ok to use this relay as a master starter to battery disconnect



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Posted By: ckeeler
Date Posted: December 01, 2008 at 4:26 PM

depends on if its normally open or normally closed and if its continous duty or not. do you know the part/model number?





Posted By: Atl_monte
Date Posted: December 01, 2008 at 5:32 PM
not sure of the actual part # as Im still at work, but assuming if this one wouldn't work for the application there are are actual relays that will work for this application? Maybe an solenoid from an older model Ford. Would it be best to wire it N/C or N/O? How would I wire it to an alarm with auto crank as the circuit would be complete during remote starting but other wise open while armed




Posted By: ckeeler
Date Posted: December 01, 2008 at 5:44 PM

you want one normally closed. you need one with 4 terminals. 2 large ones for the power cable and 2 small ones. connect one small post to ignition power from in the ignition harness and the other small one to the negative ground when armed from the alarm (its usually orange). that way if the unit is armed and the lock cylinder gets turned, the ignition voltage will go to the solonoid and trigger it opening it up and preventing starting. if you wire it like this you dont need a continuous duty solonoid. any N/C solonoid will work.

P.S. starter solonoids are N/O so those wont work. you need one that is N/C





Posted By: ckeeler
Date Posted: December 01, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Atl_monte wrote:

not sure of the actual part # as Im still at work, but assuming if this one wouldn't work for the application there are are actual relays that will work for this application? Maybe an solenoid from an older model Ford. Would it be best to wire it N/C or N/O? How would I wire it to an alarm with auto crank as the circuit would be complete during remote starting but other wise open while armed

just read this again.

if your going to do this with a remote start you will have to interupt the small ignition wire to the solonoid with a standard relay during remote start. otherwise it wont start.





Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 01, 2008 at 5:51 PM
They are constant duty.  Normally Open.  Depending on the type of vehicle, as to whether 200 amps will be enough current.




Posted By: Atl_monte
Date Posted: December 01, 2008 at 6:11 PM
84 Olds cutlass; 791xv alarm




Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 01, 2008 at 6:22 PM

A Honda, Nissan or Toyota 4 Cylinder would possibly be OK with 200 amps of current.  But an 84 CuttDawg, probably going to need a little more current than that on a cold day.    But as CKeeler stated, you really need to use the low current wire that triggers the Solenoid mounted to the starter.





Posted By: ckeeler
Date Posted: December 01, 2008 at 6:53 PM
I.A.A.I....are you farmiliar with solonoids much? im not sure, but i thought most starter solonoids had ratings like 80 or 90 but could actually hold more like 150-200 for more short periods of time. i guess that would be a intermintent duty one huh? so i guess im asking if you know if thats the difference between a continous duty and intermintent? a continuous actually holds way more??? im not sure.




Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 01, 2008 at 7:27 PM

The coil of the solenoid is what makes it continuous.  A starter solenoid, if left energized for 30 seconds or so, it will begin to smoke.  I have no idea what current a starter solenoid is rated at, but I am pretty sure a GM starter will pull upwards of 300 amps of so.  The 200 amp solenoid will probably make it for a while.  I am just trying to figure out why he can't use the start wire at the Ignition switch.

Years ago, pac-audio.com manufactured 2 solenoids that were sold as a power shut off.  You had to have them on your competition vehicles to kill power to the rear of the car in case of fire.  They were known as a PAC-80  and a PAC-200.  The 80 was the same identical piece and a Standard Ignition S-55.  It looked similar to a Ford, mount on the fender solenoid.  Some people tried using the ford solenoid as a PAC-80.  That is how I know about the 30 seconds till smoke.  The PAC-80 was a constant duty device, the Ford solenoid, not so much.





Posted By: Atl_monte
Date Posted: December 01, 2008 at 7:38 PM
i am an idiot wrote:

The coil of the solenoid is what makes it continuous.  A starter solenoid, if left energized for 30 seconds or so, it will begin to smoke.  I have no idea what current a starter solenoid is rated at, but I am pretty sure a GM starter will pull upwards of 300 amps of so.  The 200 amp solenoid will probably make it for a while.  I am just trying to figure out why he can't use the start wire at the Ignition switch.

Because it is so easy to gain access to those wires Ive already added starter interupt upstream of the remote start wire was just looking to do something a lil different and happen to have this big relay sitting around that I haven't see to come up with a good use for




Posted By: Atl_monte
Date Posted: December 02, 2008 at 10:18 PM
part # for the stinger relay is SR200, but after taking inconsideration some of the ideas and and comments. I may concentrate on the low amperage wire, well I have a new idea(well a modified idea from a previous install), I've come up with another question, if I ellected not to use the starter kill of the 791xv but still wanted to use the auto crank, would I be able to just splice the the starter output of the relay bank upstream of my my stand alone starter interupt and still use the auto start feature? 




Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 03, 2008 at 5:03 AM
Yes




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: December 03, 2008 at 4:02 PM
You'd be crazy to shove a relay oin the main battery lead all I'd need to get past it would be half a jump lead! Secondly if late model it will cause problems for the engine management.




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: December 03, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Just realised it's probably part of a split charging system and as such there is no way it will take that current for any length of time. 





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