guidence on first alarm/remote start
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: guidence on first alarm/remote start
Posted By: ram_it01
Subject: guidence on first alarm/remote start
Date Posted: December 29, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Hi, this is my first post here and man do i love this site. every seems to pitch in. So this is gunna be my first install for remote start/keyless entry/alarm combo.
I've done radios and all those gadgets but not this stuff. But i have "cs" and i tend to use it alot hahaanyways
i have a 1999 dodge ram 1500 with no factory keyless entry but i do have factory power locks.
heres the manual its in (pdf form) for the unit im gunna put in.
first question: the unit has a relay built in for the door locks and if you take a look at pg 23 it shows reverse polarity system, which iam about 95% sure thats what my truck has. if i do as this diagram shows will i be good? im thinking tying into lock side ORANGE / purple and unlock side pink/purple in my truck. will that unlock both doors?
second, the wiring diagram on here for my truck says neutral safety wire. what would that hook to on the unit im installing? or is it obsolete?
and on pg 24 under the optional start module diagram it says remote start input (-) and remote start output (-) 500ma would you happen to know what these would connect to?
sorry for the longness i understand if you guys make fun of me haha. im sure ill have more newb questions. thanks for the future response
p.s. ive been researching for a week now couldnt find my answers
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1999 dodge ram 1500
4x4
Replies:
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: December 30, 2008 at 12:09 AM
the wires for locks/unlock are correct. the unlock wire will unlock both doors. the locking system is 5wire REVERSE polarity. you will need 2relays to do this setup. on the unit, if automatic, it will ask for a ebrake or parking brake connection, take that wire from the unit and just ground it. if its a manual remote start, you will need to connect the parking brake connection to the trucks neutral safety. this makes sure the manual tranny car is not in gear and can not start. remote start input is used to trigger the remote start sequence from an additional source. in your case, it is not reqired. just cut the wire and tape up the end properly. when you say remote start output, does it mention status output or "ground when running" ? if so that wire will go to ground when you remote start for powering bypass modules etc. its always good to ask questions. keep us posted
Posted By: OmarR
Date Posted: December 30, 2008 at 12:20 AM
First, what unit are you installing? Your upload of any .pdf form was unsuccessful. Door locks: If I remember correctly, this is a 5 wire system for door locks. Do a search on that and you will find a diagram. Neutral Safety Wire: If this is an automatic tranmission, then it is obsolete for you.
Posted By: ram_it01
Date Posted: December 30, 2008 at 6:42 AM
thanks guys i kinda figured that about the neutral safety wire. But for the locks again (im getting pretty confused) You say its a 5 wire reverse polarity. I have looked at the diagrams to install relays and have only seen a 5 wire diagram(doesnt mention reverse polarity) and a reverspolarity/actuator diagram, but this one states its just like the 5 wire setup, but has no switch. Exactly which one would i use? thanks again, dennis
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1999 dodge ram 1500
4x4
Posted By: ram_it01
Date Posted: December 30, 2008 at 6:44 AM
OmarR] wrote:
First, what unit are you installing? Your upload of any .pdf form was unsuccessful.
Door locks:
If I remember correctly, this is a 5 wire system for door locks. Do a search on that and you will find a diagram.
Neutral Safety Wire:
If this is an automatic tranmission, then it is obsolete for you.
Thats my fault i never put the manual there
https://www.pyleaudio.com/manuals/PWD501.pdf try this thanks again ------------- 1999 dodge ram 1500
4x4
Posted By: ram_it01
Date Posted: December 31, 2008 at 8:47 PM
anybody haha
the unit has a relay built in for the door locks and if you take a look at pg 23 it shows reverse polarity system wiring diagram. if i wire it up like that to my wires will it work or do i still need to add the relays? thanks dennis
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1999 dodge ram 1500
4x4
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: January 01, 2009 at 2:07 AM
if the unit has onboad relays, just wire it up like it shows.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: January 01, 2009 at 4:44 AM
I find the description 5 wire infuriating and inaccurate! What you are doing is simply relay interrupting existing lock/unlock motor wires. In fact it's exactly the same as adding actuators but the grounds go back to the control unit. In fact 4 or 6 wire would be more accurate. Ah well there goes the resolution about being laid back. Lets go and have a ciggie.
Posted By: ram_it01
Date Posted: January 01, 2009 at 9:55 AM
alright i think ill try it the way the manual shows the first, then if im unhappy or dont have a good feeling about it, ill do it up with some relays to be safe
thanks guys appreciate the help, ill be posting how its going once i start the install
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1999 dodge ram 1500
4x4
Posted By: ram_it01
Date Posted: January 03, 2009 at 4:00 PM
ok scratch the [pyle unit, i just picked up a avital 4103 remote start and keyless. I think im pretty much set on how it hooks up. besides the small 4 pin connector that is labeled
1 blue status output
2 orange (-) accessory output
3 purple (-) starter output
4 pink (-) starter output
it says nothing of these in the manual.
what r they for and do i need to use them?
thanks for all your help
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1999 dodge ram 1500
4x4
Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: January 03, 2009 at 6:50 PM
the blue will be used if your vehicle requires a bypass, the other wires will only need to be used if you have more than one accessory or starter wires in the vehicle, they must be converted to a positive signal by means of a relay, just so you know, in case you need them.
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COMMIT YOUR WAY TO JEHOVAH AND HE WILL ACT IN YOUR BEHALF.
PSALMS 37:5
Posted By: ram_it01
Date Posted: January 03, 2009 at 7:12 PM
t&t tech wrote:
the blue will be used if your vehicle requires a bypass, the other wires will only need to be used if you have more than one accessory or starter wires in the vehicle, they must be converted to a positive signal by means of a relay, just so you know, in case you need them.
cool thanks. i know i dont have 2 accessory wires, and my wiring diagram shows only 1 starter wire. but i do have 2 ignition wires (thats what it shows for my truck on this site) but my unit only has 1 ignition output. what are my options here? see if it works with just one hooked up? tie both ignition wires into the output?(prolly not tho) or add a relay? thanks dennis ------------- 1999 dodge ram 1500
4x4
Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: January 03, 2009 at 7:20 PM
use the negative accesory wire from the harness we were just discussing hook to a relay like this pins 86 and 30 to 12volts pin 85 to negative accesory wire from alarm pin 87 to second ignition and you're programming the accesory wire to act as second ignition if neccesary. ------------- COMMIT YOUR WAY TO JEHOVAH AND HE WILL ACT IN YOUR BEHALF.
PSALMS 37:5
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: January 04, 2009 at 6:14 PM
ram_it01, you can use the pink/white heavy output from the remote start for your ignition 2. Save a precious relay. Pink output is your ignition 1.
For the door locks, use either a 451M, or 2 relays, as per this image:
On another post(incidentally about a similar Ram), I put down a suggestion as far as definitions of doorlock types. For howie_II's amusement I'll reprint the suggestion here.
1. The very uncommon 4-wire rest-at-open doorlock system should be referred to as such, or 4W RAO, and by no other terms.
2. 5-wire rest-at-ground doorlock systems should be referred to as that, or 5W RAG for short. "Reverse polarity" should no longer be used to refer to a specific doorlock system type. ------------- C Renner's Auto Electronix
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Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: January 04, 2009 at 8:41 PM
sorry bout the wrong info, forgot u switched out to avital.
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COMMIT YOUR WAY TO JEHOVAH AND HE WILL ACT IN YOUR BEHALF.
PSALMS 37:5
Posted By: ram_it01
Date Posted: January 05, 2009 at 5:38 PM
we are all good. i figured out the second ignition wire, no need for a relay i didnt read the manual good enough the first time. and the door locks went smooth as ice. hooked up the relays for 5 wire and wam bam thank you ma'am works like a charm. Im really pumped. i leased a f-150 for two years and was spoiled with keyless entry, so it was killin me not having it.
I truly appreciate everyones help. cant wait to do my next one thanks again dennis
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1999 dodge ram 1500
4x4
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