viper 5901 08 toyota tundra remote start
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Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: May 09, 2024 at 2:32 PM
Topic: viper 5901 08 toyota tundra remote start
Posted By: 1badtundra
Subject: viper 5901 08 toyota tundra remote start
Date Posted: March 02, 2009 at 9:53 PM
I am a noob and installed a Viper 5901 in my new 08 Tundra. I wired in 2 DEI 530T's, a 506T, and a 520T. I am using the PKT2 immobilizer and am having problems with t he remote start. I remote start and see the dash lights and hear clicking but no start. I have been trouble shooting for 2 days with no luck. Any help will be appreciated...
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Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: March 03, 2009 at 5:59 AM
 | Battery | | WHITE | | (+) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | | | | Ignition 1 | | LIGHT GREEN | | (+) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | | | | Ignition 2 | | BLACK | | (+) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | | | | Accessory 1 | | GRAY | | (+) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | | | | Starter 1 | | DARK GREEN | | (+) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | | | | Anti-Theft Type | | UNIVERSAL IMMOBILIZER | | | | Anti-Theft Descript | | THE KEY SENDS AN RF SIGNAL TO THE BCM MODULE THROUGH AN ANTENNA LOCATED AROUND THE IGNITION CYLINDER | | | | Key Sense | | GRAY | | (-) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | |  | | Tachometer | | WHITE | | (AC) | | AT DATA LINK CONNECTOR | | | | Speed Sense | | YELLOW | | (AC) | | AT SKID CONTROL ECU AT BRAKE BOOSTER | | | | Parking Lights | | GREEN | | (+) | | IN PLUG ON BOTTOM OF FUSE BOX | | | | Low Crr. Pk Lights | | ORANGE | | (-) | | AT VEHICLE LIGHT SWITCH | | | | Brake Lights | | ORANGE | | (+) | | AT SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL | | | | Reverse Lights | | BLUE | | (+) | | IN HARNESS IN DRIVERS KICKPANEL | | | | Horn | | ORANGE | | (-) | | IN HARNESS AT STEERING COLUMN | | | | IMO | | LIGHT BLUE | | (DATA) | | AT TRANSPONDER KEY ECU UNDER DRIVER SIDE DASH NEAR CENTER CONSOLE | | | | IMI | | YELLOW | | (DATA) | | AT TRANSPONDER KEY ECU UNDER DRIVER SIDE DASH NEAR CENTER CONSOLE | | | | Rear Defrost | | GRAY |
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: March 03, 2009 at 6:26 AM
Set the key in the ignition without turning it. Does it start?
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Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: 1badtundra
Date Posted: March 03, 2009 at 7:35 AM
Mike M2 wrote:
Set the key in the ignition without turning it. Does it start?
No it does not.. I will check the cables again and see what I find.
Posted By: 91stt
Date Posted: March 03, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Check to make sure the Violet and Green wires are connected to the proper side of the car's starter wire. It will not start if they are flopped but may still provide starter disable function.
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: March 03, 2009 at 10:32 AM
did you re-program it for Automatic transmission? default is manual and it wont start without seeing the "ready mode" sequence otherwise.....
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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: 1badtundra
Date Posted: March 03, 2009 at 11:13 AM
91stt] wrote:
Check to make sure the Violet and Green wires are connected to the proper side of the car's starter wire. It will not start if they are flopped but may still provide starter disable function.
If the wires are flopped the truck will still start normally correct. The truck turns on with no problems. I iwll check when I get home as the truck is in 100 pieces.lol
Posted By: 1badtundra
Date Posted: March 03, 2009 at 11:16 AM
kgerry wrote:
did you re-program it for Automatic transmission? default is manual and it wont start without seeing the "ready mode" sequence otherwise.....
Yes I did but what a headache to program with the Valet switch. I went ahead and ordered a bitwritter with the 2.6 firmware to finish the install..
Posted By: 91stt
Date Posted: March 03, 2009 at 12:58 PM
1badtundra wrote:
91stt] wrote:
Check to make sure the Violet and Green wires are connected to the proper side of the car's starter wire. It will not start if they are flopped but may still provide starter disable function.
If the wires are flopped the truck will still start normally correct. The truck turns on with no problems. I iwll check when I get home as the truck is in 100 pieces.lol
yes, the car should still start with the system disarmed.
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: March 03, 2009 at 2:47 PM
does it start if you disconnect the bypass module and put a key in the ignition (not turned)? if it does, you have a bypass module issue, if not, either a tach issue or the unit is not programmed for Automatic tranny.... the 5901 gives you a certain # of light flashes when it fails, count the # of times the parking lights flash and then check the manual to see what that # corresponds to..... also, did you ground the BLACK/ white NSS wire on the 5901? this has to be grounded as well as using the toggle switch on these new units.... ------------- Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: 1badtundra
Date Posted: March 03, 2009 at 3:29 PM
kgerry wrote:
does it start if you disconnect the bypass module and put a key in the ignition (not turned)? if it does, you have a bypass module issue, if not, either a tach issue or the unit is not programmed for Automatic tranny....
the 5901 gives you a certain # of light flashes when it fails, count the # of times the parking lights flash and then check the manual to see what that # corresponds to.....
also, did you ground the BLACK/ white NSS wire on the 5901? this has to be grounded as well as using the toggle switch on these new units....
I disconnected the module and still have to turn the key for the truck to start once i press remote start.
I checked the wires on the ignition harness with a voltmeter.
1. Ignition
2. starter wire , then cut it and checked and the starter would not engage. So this is the correct wire.
3. Accesory
4.
H3/1 (5701) Pink (+) Ignition 1 Input/Output Ignition 1 Light Green (+) J9 Pin 1
H3/2 (5701) RED / White (+) 30A FUSED Fused Ignition 2 / Flex Relay Input 87 Constant 12V (+) Source User Defined (+) #10 User Supplied Wire
H3/3 (5701) Orange (+) Accessory Output Accessory 1 Gray (+) J9 Pin 2
H3/4 (5701) Violet (+) Starter Output (Starter Side Of The Starter Kill Wire) Starter Output (Starter Side Of The Starter Kill Wire) Dark Green (+) J9 Pin 7
H3/5 (5701) Green (+) Starter Input (Key Side Of The Starter Kill Wire) Starter Input (Key Side Of The Starter Kill Wire) Dark Green (+) J9 Pin 7
H3/6 (5701) Red (+) 30A FUSED Ignition 1 Power Input Constant 12V (+) Source User Defined (+) #10 User Supplied Wire
H3/7 (5701) Pink/White (+) Ignition 2 / Flex Relay Output Ignition 2 Black (+) J9 Pin 6
H3/8 (5701) Pink/Black Flex Relay Input 87A Key Side (If Required) Of Flex Relay
H3/9 (5701) RED / Black (+) 30A FUSED Accessory/Starter Power Input Constant 12V (+) Source User Defined (+) #10 User Supplied Wire
Posted By: loneranger
Date Posted: March 03, 2009 at 4:10 PM
I hope your not trying to power the vehicle's GREY key-sense wire. If not, did you inadvertantly re-program the flex-relay for anything other than IGN. Otherwise, it sounds like a by-pass issue.
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Ideal - cmon dude, add to topics in a useful manner, not stuff that is obvious.
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Posted By: 1badtundra
Date Posted: March 03, 2009 at 6:49 PM
kgerry wrote:
does it start if you disconnect the bypass module and put a key in the ignition (not turned)? if it does, you have a bypass module issue, if not, either a tach issue or the unit is not programmed for Automatic tranny....
the 5901 gives you a certain # of light flashes when it fails, count the # of times the parking lights flash and then check the manual to see what that # corresponds to.....
also, did you ground the BLACK/ white NSS wire on the 5901? this has to be grounded as well as using the toggle switch on these new units....
Well it is now working. I had the 12V for the remote start harness hooked up to ground instead of 12V+. I want to run wires to my tailgate and would like to know for the magnetic solenoids if 20 gauge is enough?
Posted By: 1badtundra
Date Posted: March 03, 2009 at 10:00 PM
I have an issue. If I tap from the remote start auxilliary output blue wire to the key sense the truck doesn't like it....
Posted By: loneranger
Date Posted: March 04, 2009 at 3:51 PM
1badtundra wrote:
I want to run wires to my tailgate and would like to know for the magnetic solenoids if 20 gauge is enough?
No. I would recommend 14ga or better. I can't answer your above post, as there is not enough information. Elaborate on "the truck doesn't like..". ------------- Ideal - cmon dude, add to topics in a useful manner, not stuff that is obvious.
Story - Phzzzt! Hey, what happened?! ... Isn't it obvious?
Moral - Never dismiss the obvious.
Posted By: 1badtundra
Date Posted: March 04, 2009 at 9:24 PM
loneranger wrote:
1badtundra wrote:
I want to run wires to my tailgate and would like to know for the magnetic solenoids if 20 gauge is enough?
No. I would recommend 14ga or better. I can't answer your above post, as there is not enough information. Elaborate on "the truck doesn't like..".
Thanks man 14 gauge it is then :)... I have another problem. When I have the alarm armed and go inside the house and come out 1 hour later and remote start the truck the oem alarm goes off...
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: March 05, 2009 at 6:47 AM
This is because you don't have the keysense wire connected correctly. The keysense needs to see a ground during the entire RS process to turn the OEM alarm off....
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Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: 1badtundra
Date Posted: March 05, 2009 at 8:10 AM
Mike M2 wrote:
This is because you don't have the keysense wire connected correctly. The keysense needs to see a ground during the entire RS process to turn the OEM alarm off....
From the DEI it is the RS-OUT/5 Blue wire which is connected to the Key Sense wire which is the grey wire in the 2 wire connector on the left side of the ignition. I am also using this BLue wire to send the ground to the PKT2 ground when armed.. Do i need to diode isolate these 2 wires?
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: March 05, 2009 at 9:17 AM
use blue "status" for one and Blue/white "second status" for the other
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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: 1badtundra
Date Posted: March 05, 2009 at 9:45 AM
kgerry wrote:
use blue "status" for one and Blue/white "second status" for the other
Thanks. I will try that when I get home and report back.
Posted By: 1badtundra
Date Posted: March 05, 2009 at 1:11 PM
I need to know if someone can get the 5901 harness for me? The installer that put the alarm in my truck did a hack job and charged me a fortune. I am redoing it in my truck and had to rip out everything he had done to redo. The only problem is that every cable was cut too short and I have to add wires to the cables to get it to work. Please someone pm me if you can get the harnesses for me I am willing to pay. I just do not want to buy a new alarm to get harnesses.
Posted By: robertsc
Date Posted: March 05, 2009 at 4:33 PM
I though you were a noob and were doing it yourself? 
Posted By: 1badtundra
Date Posted: March 05, 2009 at 4:36 PM
robertsc wrote:
I though you were a noob and were doing it yourself?
I am a noob. I had it installed and had to take it out of the truck to put in a new one. So I would like a new harness to do it right in the brand new tundra.
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