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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: extending remote start wires?

Posted By: ek4kid
Subject: extending remote start wires?
Date Posted: April 08, 2009 at 8:55 PM

iv searched and have come up with multiple replies as its Not ok to extend the remote start wires (starter/accesory/ignition wires) because it may cause some overload? BUT iv seen some people say its ok to extend the wires?

im using a compustar 2w8000fmr, and i wanna extend the wires because i wanna hide the brain somewhere far like quarter panel/under seat. but those wires are too short.

also i think im ok to extend the smaller thinner wires correct?

thanks in advance, Jay




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Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: April 08, 2009 at 9:26 PM
it's ok,provided you use the same gauge of the the wires you're extending,

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Posted By: ek4kid
Date Posted: April 08, 2009 at 9:33 PM
ohh yeah forsure im gunna look for the same gauge wires as the starter/acc/ign wires.. they are pretty thick soo i wasnt sure about extending. but thanks a lot for clearing that up!




Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: April 08, 2009 at 9:35 PM
oh and solder your joints and your connections on the heavy gauge wires to the car,

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Posted By: loneranger
Date Posted: April 09, 2009 at 4:19 AM
Actually, you should use a heavier gauge wire. I would recommend 10ga for your specific installation.

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Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: April 09, 2009 at 4:53 AM

I'm not familiar with that particular alarm so I don't know if it has built in relays or external relays, but in either case I would run small wires between the brain and the dash and then install relays for each high current signal under the dash.

If the relays are external you can just extend the coil wires.

It would end up being a lot cleaner install instead of having a bunch of 10-12 awg wires running all over the car!



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: ek4kid
Date Posted: April 09, 2009 at 5:04 AM
sooo wich ones is correct? lol iv seen t&t tech reply a lot to peoples questions.

KPierson- i belive my alarm has external relays for starter kill/remote start. i havnt looked at my alarm in about a year haha i forget.. but im pretty sure its external relays. i think two of them for that matter. sooo your saying i Should run relays with the relays?

im kinda leaning towards just extending them if that doesnt put any extra load onto the brain itself? so now, Should i use a heavier gauge wire? or would the same gauge as the original starter/kill wires be ok? if not i just need one answer.. haha, thanks for the replies guy's though. but im just going with one, and wich ever one is the safest, as i dont wanna blow up my alarm and dish out another $300.

thanx again guys,
jay




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: April 09, 2009 at 5:15 AM

If they are external you just mount them under the dash and extend the small wires that control them.  If they are internal then you have to add a few more.  The advantage here is that you don't have to worry about wire size issues.

You won't get one answer to this question because this isn't standard practice.  There are too many unknown variables.  If you want to determine the "correct" answer you would need to take current draw measurements off of each wire you are trying to power and then find a wire with enough ampacity and minimal voltage drop for the loads you are working with.

However, in general, when extending large wires, it is good practice to size them up one guage.  You will also need to really think about the size of the power wire you are using, as it too may need to be resized.  Again, ampacity and voltage drop will be your two points you need to control.



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: ek4kid
Date Posted: April 09, 2009 at 11:48 AM
KPierson wrote:

If they are external you just mount them under the dash and extend the small wires that control them.  If they are internal then you have to add a few more.  The advantage here is that you don't have to worry about wire size issues.




im pretty sure they are 2 external relays, can i just extend em with the same size? i ddnt quite get your reply sorry. and im still a noob i dont really know how to figure out currents and amps..etc.

so i was kinda looking for the simplest wich was just extending the wires.. haha. thanx for quick reply man




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: April 09, 2009 at 12:02 PM

There can't be only two external relays for a remote start system, there are generally 4-5. 

Let me try to answer your question another way.  The wire was sized to deliver 30A with minimal voltage drop for the length of wire supplied.  If you extend the wire, the current capacity won't change, but the voltage drop will.  The voltage drop will be based on the current draw of the wires you are hooking in to.  Since we don't know what kind of car you are talking about (or more importantly the current draw of each wire) it is impossible for us to give solid advice. 

In this case, if you are dead set on mounting the alarm in a non traditional location, I would AT LEAST use bigger wire for all the heavy gauge stuff.  You may be able to get away without doing it, but since you don't really know what you are doing you should do things as safely as possible.

Why exactly are you wanting to mount the alarm some place else?



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: ek4kid
Date Posted: April 09, 2009 at 1:54 PM

The reason why I wanna put the alarm in a different location is because I drive a civic hatch and under the colum there's no space to hide the big brain of the compustar. Right now I have it tucked in the kick panel wich is really exposed if someone were to into my car. So I'm thinking to re rout it and then put some factory loom around wires. Just some peace of mind for me if its more hidden. Iv seen some stealth installs and I want to do something similar.




Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: April 09, 2009 at 4:12 PM
ok well lemme see if i can help, if the wires you wanna extend are connecting directly to the heavy gauge wires in the car, then you can just extend them as i said ealier same gauge or heavier if you want to, if however the wires are trigerring relays then what kevin is saying is you can simply mount the relays under the dash close to the ignition harness in the car, and all you would have to do is extend the trigger wires for the relay,

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Posted By: robertsc
Date Posted: April 09, 2009 at 8:25 PM

I regularly clamp ampmeter wires from the starters you would be suprised how low the current draw is on most wires even though they use heavy wire.

Usually the parking lights draw more than any other switched power.





Posted By: CutDog504
Date Posted: April 09, 2009 at 9:17 PM
What kind of vehicle is this? And why do you want to relocate the brain? Is it strictly for security purposes, so a thief can't find it?




Posted By: ek4kid
Date Posted: April 09, 2009 at 11:27 PM
[Bt&t tech - i was thinking to hide the brain somewhere not under the dash and then the relay i will put under the dash soo id just extend basically wtv wires going to the brain. trigger wires would be the wires that are the ones connecting to brain right? i duno the actual terms. sorry.

CutDog504 - yup exactly.. cuz iv put over 14gs into the car.. motor swap alone is 10g... and all the other stuff in my car is 4+. sooo yeah just for extra security i guess? i wanna tuck the brain somewhere that isnt under the dash kinda setup. i drive a 96 honda civic hatch.

i kno hiding it is prolly overkill? but it just gives u that kind of peace of mind right? that u know FORSURE your car will STILL be at the movie parking lot after a show.. haha. im always sketched out after i come out.

thanx for the replies guys




Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: April 10, 2009 at 6:29 AM

sorry for confusing you, all the wires at some point will connect to the brain, but if your wires are low current trigger wires used to activate relays that invert polarity then what we're sayin is you would simply have to lengthen these thin gauge wires and locate the trigger relays for the remote start close to the connection points which would result in you not having to extend  the heavy gauge wires,i'm not famliar with the unit you have, so answer me this, is the wires you you want to lengthen heavy gauge or light gauge.



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COMMIT YOUR WAY TO JEHOVAH AND HE WILL ACT IN YOUR BEHALF. PSALMS 37:5




Posted By: ek4kid
Date Posted: April 10, 2009 at 10:07 PM
the wires i wanna lengthen are heavy gauge. i can attach a picture. and it is 2 relays connected to the unit.

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first image : first far right connector are the thick gauge im tryna extend.

second image : far right top corner is the whole wires / relays im tryna extend.

hope that clears things up a bit




Posted By: ek4kid
Date Posted: April 10, 2009 at 10:09 PM
second picture ddnt show up, ill try again:

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thats the wires in the top right corner with the 2 relays.




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: April 11, 2009 at 8:52 AM

So your remote start wires are internal to the brain.  I don't know what the other two relays are - possibly starter kill and trunk pop or even door locks? 

I personally don't think you'll gain anything by doing what you want to do - it won't make the care more secure - it will just make the installation more difficult and give the installation a much higher chance of failure (and could possibly cause issues with the car).

If you are dead set on extending those wires though, I would go with Lonerangers advice and at least go up one wire size.  Make sure you solder all the connections (any other type of splice in this application is begging for failure) and insulate the splices well.



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: ek4kid
Date Posted: April 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM
hmm well don't you think that if a brain is visible to the theif itll be easy for them to just rip it out? rahter than me hiding the brain? i mean iv installed smaller unit's and those you can actualy hide under the dash high up. But this brain is sooo big i couldnt even hide it. sooo therefor i wanna extend those wires and hide it somewhere thats hard to get to. have you seen this site:


he basically installs systems that are not under the dash. if it is it will be behind the cluster wich is very hard to get to.

i just dont see a point in an alarm system that someone can see with minimal effort to get to you know?

thanx for quick replies

Jay





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