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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=113624
Printed Date: May 07, 2024 at 4:28 PM


Topic: push button start without keys

Posted By: impulseballer
Subject: push button start without keys
Date Posted: May 06, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Okay guys here's what I want to accomplish.  I would like to use my reg keyless key to unlock and lock my doors.  I would then like to just get in my car and press start engine to turn the vehicle on.  I believe a RFID setup to detect a RFID like key fob with me is in the car setting a relay or something allowing the ignition to be set on with the button.  How do I bypass the igntion without having a key in it etc. and what kind of product can I use with a keyfob like RFID to achieve this. Also, I have a 2008 Caliber SRT4. Thanks in advance.




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Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: May 06, 2009 at 7:18 AM

There are many threads on here about pushbutton starts.  There isn't one "module" to buy that does everything.  People have been buying RFID units off of Ebay and trying to use them.

This type of system gets very complicated very fast.  To go completely keyless you will need to bypass your OEM electronic security (transponder or whatever you have) and bypass the mechanical wheel lock.  You'll then need to add your own secure way to control the ignition (and accessory circuit).  The starter is pretty easy if you want a "crank as long as you hold the button down" system.  To make a system that you push and release and it automatically cranks the vehicle until it starts adds even more complexity. 

It can be done (my '04 G35 is completely keyless) but it's pretty involved.  I personally designed every aspect of the system in my car - it features RFID security and two seperate microcontrollers to handle the entire process.



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: impulseballer
Date Posted: May 08, 2009 at 1:03 AM

actually im waiting for a response from one company who besides digital guard dawg ($400) has made such a kit.  here is there website

https://www.auto-hub.com/





Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: May 08, 2009 at 5:25 AM
that still won't do "Everything".  You will still need a module to bypass any OEM security and you'll still need to bypass the mechanical steering wheel lock.

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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: ckeeler
Date Posted: May 08, 2009 at 12:00 PM

why doesnt the link work?





Posted By: ckeeler
Date Posted: May 08, 2009 at 12:02 PM

KPierson wrote:

that still won't do "Everything".  You will still need a module to bypass any OEM security and you'll still need to bypass the mechanical steering wheel lock.

Kevin, will your unit do "everything"?





Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: May 08, 2009 at 1:51 PM
ckeeler wrote:

KPierson wrote:

that still won't do "Everything".  You will still need a module to bypass any OEM security and you'll still need to bypass the mechanical steering wheel lock.

Kevin, will your unit do "everything"?


It has the outputs to control external security bypasses, just like a remote start.  I used a DEI 556U to bypass my OEM security.

The mechanical steering wheel lock is mechanical, so there is no way to "control" it.  It simply has to be bypassed/eliminated.



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: ckeeler
Date Posted: May 08, 2009 at 2:25 PM
KPierson wrote:

It has the outputs to control external security bypasses, just like a remote start. 


smart thinking.





Posted By: impulseballer
Date Posted: May 18, 2009 at 12:53 PM
KPierson wrote:

ckeeler wrote:

KPierson wrote:

that still won't do "Everything".  You will still need a module to bypass any OEM security and you'll still need to bypass the mechanical steering wheel lock.

Kevin, will your unit do "everything"?


It has the outputs to control external security bypasses, just like a remote start.  I used a DEI 556U to bypass my OEM security.

The mechanical steering wheel lock is mechanical, so there is no way to "control" it.  It simply has to be bypassed/eliminated.


how can i eliminate it? one thing i was thinking of doing was getting a spare key cut and welding it to a cap like to cover the key hole. basically if you've ever seen those little inserts you can put on the key holes your door handles?  it will bel ike that made of metal with the key welded to it.  so the key will be in the ingition with the cap.  for any reason if i need to remove it i can use a nice strong magnet to pull it out.  now that chip that's in my dodge caliber key, can i just put that near the ignition or how does that work?





Posted By: impulseballer
Date Posted: May 18, 2009 at 12:56 PM
oh also, i'd rather control the doors and locks with my stock key fob so i shouldn't see a reason to bypass my security or is there?  i gotta do my research and see if i can build a relay using rfid so that it will switch power to the start engine button when my fob is in the car.




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: May 18, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Oh here we go again Kevin.




Posted By: impulseballer
Date Posted: May 23, 2009 at 1:27 AM
uhh i guess so




Posted By: deluxecustoms
Date Posted: July 31, 2009 at 6:45 PM
I have installed Star Drive in two cars a VW Golf and a Scion XB it is the most complete kit I have found, Comas with Smart key fob's that operate the door locks and keyless ignition from like 10 ft away.
And yes for the full keyless experience you need to un-do the column lock.
Some customers don't have the nerve to go for it. If you ever had a car stolen the column is always broken anyway.
The next install is a 69 Camaro with no column lock or immobilizer to bypass.
Here are some pics sorry did not get any of the VW.
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Sven





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