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Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: viper 1002 e36 needed

Posted By: dx90
Subject: viper 1002 e36 needed
Date Posted: June 30, 2009 at 7:59 AM

I have finally made up my mind on what alarm I wanted and have just received my new Viper 1002 in the post. I own a BMW E36 1995 with built factory immobiliser.

How do I go about wiring my alarm up to my E36 and also have the windows roll up when alarmed please?

What colour wires connect to where?

I have a soldering iron and plenty of heat shrink sleeving for the job.

It has been explained to me before so please don't shout at me, but not for the Viper 1002 alarm. Any help with this will be appreciated.

Thanks

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995



Replies:

Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 30, 2009 at 10:58 AM
How about we cancel your last 20 posts, you email me and arrange for me to install it, better still go back to your last  set of posts and follow my instructions.




Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: June 30, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Hi, howie ll

I went with the viper 1002 come the end. When you have kids and your short on money decisions on what alarm to buy or not is hard. That is for all my posts.

The wiring you gave me for the Hornet 745T. Is it exactly the same for the Viper 1002?

In the box there is 1 white wire that splits into 2 wires with what looks like 2 diodes with heat shrink over them and no mention of what it is or what it is for. Do you know if it is wired diodes and where would I use them to?

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 30, 2009 at 1:51 PM

I've had mercy on you especially after the first line, I have a daughter with 2 grandchildren, 9 and 11 with a feckless husband.

Yes is the answer to your first question.

Don't use those diodes, you move the jumper fuse to neg application (see instructions) and conect the white wire to BROWN / blue at the hazard switch.

Remove the glove box.  You will see a module in front of you with 1 black larger plug and two smaller plugs to the right. Middle plug either black or violet. These are called quadlock plugs. Take apart the middle plug. Unlock (blue/black) goes to pin 17 (blue/red) lock (GREEN/ black) goes to the vacant space in pin 4 opposite pin 17. Bare the end and "shove" in, then tape or cable tie to secure. Make sure no wire whiskers touch other pins. If there was a previous factory (dealer fit Gemini) in the vehicle cut the originals and solder and sleeve to yours.

A trick... take a diode 1N4004 etc from the GREEN/ black to the blue/black with the band towards blue /black. When finished set the alarm to total (or comfort) close. This will give you autolock on ignition (default) and dead lock and window (+roof if factory) close on arming.

BROWN / black and WHITE/ black ignore, purple and PURPLE / black via 5amp fuse to 12v+.

Look at loom going across the bulkhead from the driver's side. Light green is ign, (to the alarm's yellow) light/GREEN/ thin black is starter, if you decide to immobilise (and I don't advise it, cut the starter) and red is your power supply (12v+).

There are two mounting bolts to the left where the glove box fits with brown cables going to them. that's your ground (earthing) point, either one..

Doors bonnet (hood) and boot (trunk):- remember those two quadplugs? This time right hand. If four doors there will be four wires with brown as the primary with blue grey yellow etc as secondary, and yellow or silver dots. These are your door contacts. Check/test then join 1" length of green wire from alarm to each, then 1 x 1N4004 to each length with the bands away from alarm, then join all to the alarm's green. This is where your sleeving and solder comes in handy.  If two doors, obviously you're only looking for two.

Trunk:- If 4 dr. saloon, passenger side rear, pull top of seat away, you might need something like a lever or pry bar, you will see a grommet at top of bulkhead.  Coming out of this from the boot area and going up the "C" pillar is a BROWN / white wire. That's your trunk contact. If coupe, then go through the grommet into boot space (Tricky job without the right tools, white net curtain rod would be extremely useful on this job, about £3 from homebase)  It's in the loom coming from passenger side rear light cluster, BROWN / white. You need to remove the inside lamp part (one twistlock) to pull lining carpet away. If it's a cabriolet, forget all the last it's up with the door switch contacts again BROWN / white behind glove box.

Bonnet, look to the driver's side striker plate. To the right of the rad are two holes. Measure off and drill 12mm (1/2") hole on the passenger side in the same position.  That's for your bonnet switch (buy at Maplin along with your 3 or 5 diodes.)  Also mount the siren on the near side forward on the wheel arch. Now go back to the glove box area, pull back the upper edge of the floor carpet and some foam above it.  Right in the middle is your entry grommet. The curtain rod comes into its own here. N.B If your battery is in the rear you can get at this grommet from the engine bay firewall.

Ignore the purple wire that's joined to the green. Also if you have a blue wire that does bonnet and boot, place a diode (1N4004) on the boot's lead with the band away from the alarm. This will prevent a faulty bonnet switch turning on the boot light and flattening the battery. If there's a separate grey wire for the bonnet hood) ignore what I just said.

That's it.





Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: June 30, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Howie..... again, YOU ARE THE MAN!posted_image

I would bet anyone that you could do this E36 with a patch over your good eye, AND one arm tied painfully behind your back!



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Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 01, 2009 at 7:58 AM
howie ll, just wanted to check a few of things before going over to Maplin.

Is this the correct pin switch for the bonnet code - AY07H?

The diodes are listed as 1N4004S with an S on the end, code - QL76H. Are these the ones?

Looks like I will need some multi strand wire as well. What thickens should I get?

The alarm has dual shock built in. Can I mount the brain in any position or does it have to be mounted vertical and how critical is this?

Can it be mounted to any surface?

I read somewhere its best to mount on a none solid surface. If this is correct where could I mount it too?

Also, a very big thank you for helping me with all this. I do appreciate it.

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: July 01, 2009 at 11:47 AM
No Gary, only with a patch over my bad eye and the wrists don't work, draw your own conclusions, think about how many times you used the flat of your hand to push in a door trim or push down a seat.  dx90. Those diodes are OK, define multistrand cable. Apart from reaching the boot contact, you've more than enough in the kit. For a start you won't be using the purple. Normal guage would be 0.75mm (5amps power capacity) Bonnet switch is correct, shove the control unit into the space above the ECU behind the glove box, sit it horizontally.




Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 01, 2009 at 2:31 PM
I'll get across there tomorrow and pick the bits up I need.
I should have just said stranded cable and not multi stranded I think.

As soon as I can arrange some alternative transport for the children I will give it ago. I've printed all your instructions out and if I'm not sure of about something I will ask before I connect, just to play safe.

Thanks again for all your help. I'll let you know how I get on.

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 03, 2009 at 10:07 AM
howie ll

Is it OK to use these Snap-Lock Automotive Cable Connectors to join onto the wires or is it best to bare the wire, wrap around and solder the alarm wire onto the main harness?


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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: July 03, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Definately no to Scotchloks, don't mention them on this site, definate yes to the second. N.B. Some insulating tapes are a lot better than others, you're not likely to buy Scotch 33+ in the UK unless you buy 10+ rolls at a time, RS tape is 8 rolls, so get Maplin's best.  Don't get the brand sold in most car accessory shops with a white lable, it's garbage.




Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 03, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Just spotted some Scotch Super 33+ Premium Quality Black PVC Tape on a well known action site. I'll try a roll of that and hope its not fake. It looks genuine. I will also solder all joints.

Thanks

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: July 03, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Now you are aking the right questions and saying the right things even though you're choke choke taking the food from my mouth posted_image  So it's a pleasure to help when I can.  Use the Scotch for wrapping the solder joints, pull reasonably hard as you wrap it.  You can use cheaper tape for your looming.  You might have enough wire, the purple and brown* you don't use to make it to the boot. Don't forget to let the solder run into the joints. What is the action site you mentioned please.  * The siren you have along enough lead to reach to the alarm point, earth it with the alarm, this will give you excess brown cable. Don't forget to set the alarm for negative parking lights.




Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 04, 2009 at 3:26 AM
howie ll.
The action site is Ebay.co.uk and this is the Item number: 120441024546.

Thanks for the reminder, I've just changed the jumper over to negative parking lights and have ticked it off the list.

I'm not going to bother wiring the alarms immobiliser up. I can see why you wouldn't use it. More trouble than its worth, especially when there a good one on the car already.

The Scotch Super 33+ Premium is ordered for taping the joints and I already have a roll of Draper PVC tape from Asda that should be OK for taping the looming.

Once the tape arrives and as soon as the times right I'll have a dam good go at it.

Thanks     

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 08, 2009 at 10:43 AM
howie ll. I have taken out the glove box etc.
The middle quadlock is yellow in mine and pin 4 is being used by a Blue/Black with yellow dots and pin 17 is unused.
This is different to your instructions. What do I do?

I have found the 4 brown wires in the quadlock to the right. How do I test/check them before connecting them up?

Thanks

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 08, 2009 at 11:01 AM
The post above in incorrect.

This is the correct version.

I have taken out the glove box etc.
The middle quadlock is yellow in mine and pin 4 is being used by a Blue/Red with yellow dots and pin 17 is unused.
This is different to your instructions. What do I do?

I have found the 4 brown wires in the quadlock to the right. How do I test/check them before connecting them up?

The loom going across the bulkhead. Do you mean the smaller one that goes just behind the heater controls or do you mean the very large loom that is against the firewall?

Thanks

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: July 08, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Sorry the empty is the lock (17), other (4) is unlock.

Wire testing:- Red lead to 12volts+ and black to each, you should go from 0v to 12v+ whenever you open a different  door of the four.

The very large loom against the firewall. Note if you cut any cable ties they are easily replaced.





Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 09, 2009 at 3:19 AM
No problem. I made up and soldered the 1 wire in, into 4 diodes out with the band side facing the 4 brown wires. I will test later and start fitting. The bonnet switch and siren is fitted know and I found a grommet that wasn't being used just below the glove box. I've found some cable ties in the shed so cutting the old ones off will make it much easer. Thanks for your help.

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 09, 2009 at 6:00 AM
Just got my first problem. The light in the boot won't work. Any ideas?

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 09, 2009 at 9:13 AM
All sorted with the boot light. The harness that goes from the boot to the boot lid had 5 broken wires in it and a couple where the wire was showing through. Rejoined, soldered and sleeved and the boot light is now working fine. A common problem with the E36, so I've read.

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 09, 2009 at 11:03 AM
howie ll,
Just want to make sure on a couple of things.
The thick red wire in the loom across the bulk head. That's my constant 12 volts supply, that I connect the red too.Can I also connect the Purple and PURPLE / Black from the alarm to this as well?
If not where can I connect the Purple and PURPLE / Black 12v+ to?

Thanks

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: July 09, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Yes to your last question.




Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 09, 2009 at 12:56 PM
howie ll,

Yellow (ignition) goes to light green loom. Done this.

Orange (starter kill) goes to light green with thin black stripe. Is this correct?

The wire I've installed from the bonnet switch. This wire connects to the BROWN / white wire from the boot switch. Do I need to install a diode here to stop the battery running flat if bonnet switch goes faulty?

Thanks

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 09, 2009 at 1:31 PM
howie ll,

I'm almost certain that the Orange wire is the starter you mentioned so I have soldered it. What threw me off was the diagram mentioned starter kill relay. I want connect the battery until I get the all clear from you.

On the diagram I have a optional hood or trunk pin. Blue wire - instant trigger input zone 1. Can I use this one to connect to the bonnet switch instead of going through the car to the boot?

I am also confused about the domelight supervision wires. What is this used for and do I need it?

If I do need it what one do I use there are two?
There is one on the H3 door lock harness and also one on the H1 primary harness.



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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: July 09, 2009 at 7:50 PM

lemme hijack howard a little, that orange wire mrdx90, does not connect to any wire in the vehicle period, it only should be connected to pin 85 of a starter kill relay, so desolder that connection and insulate the orange wire if you aren't using the starter kill. Secondly yes you can connect that blue wire to the bonnet switch. And to your last question, domelight supervision will turn the domelight on upon disarm and off upon arm, you would have to connect the BLACK/ white on the h3 harness to whatever polarity the domelight wire is, and the BLACK/ white on the h1 harness would go to the domelight trigger wire. Howard can help you with where to find it if you so desire.



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COMMIT YOUR WAY TO JEHOVAH AND HE WILL ACT IN YOUR BEHALF. PSALMS 37:5




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: July 10, 2009 at 1:09 AM

No problem t&t couldn't reply last night, this site was down for maintainance about midnight UK time and I'm a bit woozy, I've got Sciatica from nowhere, something I wouldn't wish on any one and I'm floating on relaxants, painkillers and Valium at night.

Yes to how you've wired the yellow.

The orange wire is an armed output, you would only use it in conjunction with an external relay, as an immobiliser.  Not needed, disconnect it immediately  before you switch on the iginition. you can use the green with either GREEN/ black or GREEN / WHITE as in and outs on your starter (the GREEN/ black and GREEN / WHITE give you the choice of always cutting the circuit or only when the alarm is on, I would suggest the second option) Secondly since your vehicle has a perfectly good transponder immobiliser, I wouldn't bother it's safer.

Isn't there a grey hood (bonnet) switch wire on the alarm?  Use that if not use the blue  with as you said a diode with band towards the trunk (boot) to protect the battery in case the bonnet (hood) switch goes doolally.





Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: July 10, 2009 at 1:14 AM
Sorry forgot about dome light management, not needed, as you unlock the dome (AKA interior or courtesy lights) will come on automatically. If you must, 1 black /white to ground (earth) other to driver's door switch before you make your  other connections, ie next to quadplug, but I've NEVER done it on any BMW, never had to.




Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 10, 2009 at 5:29 AM
howie ll,

There are tree wires from the alarms immobiliser. green, GREEN / WHITE and GREEN/ black. Are you saying don't connect/use any of these if I don't want to use the alarms immobiliser?
(I don't want use it).

I don't want to use the alarms immobiliser. Then I don't connect any wires from the alarm to the light GREEN/ black thin stripe in the loom. Is this correct?

If there's no need then I will take your advice and not connect the dome wires.

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: July 10, 2009 at 1:09 PM

yes mr dx90 if you are not using the immobiliser part of the system these three wires remain unused!

yes to your second question also!

also howard, i get this feeling of invisibility coming on.posted_image



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COMMIT YOUR WAY TO JEHOVAH AND HE WILL ACT IN YOUR BEHALF. PSALMS 37:5




Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 10, 2009 at 3:14 PM
t&t tech Thank yoU.

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: dx90
Date Posted: July 12, 2009 at 2:52 PM
I have fitted the alarm but I have a problem.

The bonnet switch is connected to the BROWN / wire wire in boot. I can get the boot light to activate using the bonnet switch I installed. But the alarm is not going off when the bonnet or boot is opened. The doors set the alarm off no problem.

What could be the problem?

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BMW E36 320I August build 1995




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: July 12, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Set your meter to 20vdc, red lead to 12v+ source, black lead to blue from boot or grey from bonnet, open each in turn, meter should read c.12.4v+ If not look at your diode(s), make sure they are the right way round, if so check back to the BROWN / white boot contact and the bonnet switch, make sure they go to ground when either is opened. My thought is diode wrong way round. Diode(s) should have bands towards switches not alarm.





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