viper 5901 passive arm

I have a 08 Chevy Avalanche with the Viper 5901 installed using an Idatalink ADS-DLSL-GM3 interface.  I prefer the passive arm feature (usually forget to lock my truck way more than leaving keys in it).  So I had the installer add a pin switch to the tailgate for use as a trunk input thinking it would prevent the passive arm while I was getting groceries out of the back.  Am I wrong in thinking it should work that way (installer said it should)?  There are also a few other gremlins that maybe related too.  The hood input is intermittent on shutting down the remote start or preventing it from starting.  The doors are intermittent on whether or not they activate the passive arming.  The new tailgate switch never prevents passive arming.  But all these inputs work 100% on setting off the alarm when activated.  I am patiently working with the installer (DEI authorized), but it is not going well, so I was looking for some tips that might help.

Thanks,

-=J

i am an idiot wrote:

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I would imagine that the alarm is only monitoring the doors to know when to arm itself.  The hood/trunk wire is probably not in that equation.  I have no idea if your module is a D2D device.  I also have no odew whether or not the D2D device uses the door trigger wire of the alarm.  If it does not connect to the door trigger wire and the door trigger wire is still active when using D2D, connect the tailgate pinswitch to the negative door trigger wire of the alarm.  If the D2D uses the door trigger wire of the alarm, he may need to install a diode on the wire to keep it from interfering with the D2D.

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I believe IDatalink's just came out with D2D compatible modules, but mine is not (direct wired).

Good point on changing the tie in point to the neg door trigger, provided the positive one was used already on the door and that the system will sense both inputs being in use.  Though you would think that getting things out of the trunk would have been a consideration on the passive arm feature.

Thanks for the input.

howie ll wrote:

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First, passive arm is OK provided you don't have passive arm and lock, the first instance can be a nuisance, the second type a bloody disaster.  It will only recognise door contacts for passive arming, the trunk wire should have gone to a door contact , ie green not blue on alarm, via diode separation.

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With remote start alarm systems, do these inputs typically go through the canbus interface module or just to the 5901?  Also, any suggestions on the intermittent door (for passive arm) and hood (for stopping remote start) inputs?

Thanks,

-=J

mikvot wrote:

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The module sends all of the input signals to the alarm. The ADS-DLSL-GM3 covers the doors, trunk, and hood.

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Thanks.  I am wondering if this module maybe causing my intermittent gremlins.  Doesn't make sense that they trigger that alarm 100% of the time, but fail on remote start disable or passive arm.

Hoping the rain quits so I can check out some of these items.

-=J

mikvot wrote:

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Yes, it is very possible the module is causing the issues. If the system, and the install are still under warranty. I would not mess with the install at all. If they think anything has been tampered with they will try to void your warranty!

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True, but think the possibility of having a warranty through the installer is rapidly disentigrating anyway.  Doesn't appear that all installers have to be qualified to be an authorized dealer.  So may have no choice.  I don't have a problem working with electronics, but my back will not let me stay under the dash for long.  The easiest/cheapest thing for me might be to just grab a Xpresskit DLPK module (since it is D2D) and replace the Idatalink module.

howie ll wrote:

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Gremlins would be there whether passive armed or not, also if the door triggers weren't working properly, you wouldn't get passive arming!  Checking the door and hood and trunk triggers is pretty straight forward,  I check whilst installing. This sounds like poorly fitted switches and wiring.

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The installer told me that he used the factory hood and door inputs (I assume via the canbus module).  And I see no added switches other than tailgate.  Also, they work 100% for triggering alarm (I have checked they activated many times).  Guess it is time to find another installer to go through the system or suffer with my back and check through it myself.