audi a4l push start and remote starter.
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: audi a4l push start and remote starter.
Posted By: equate
Subject: audi a4l push start and remote starter.
Date Posted: November 12, 2009 at 3:55 AM
I am going to install Compustar 9000FMR on Audi A4L 2009.
This car is push button start. Is there any special connection for it?
After remote start, does it still need a key?Otherwise when press foot brake, will it stop?
I am going to use universal trans box. do I just leave the chipset inside that box? or Just leave a chipset somewhere in car without a transponder box?
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Posted By: equate
Date Posted: November 12, 2009 at 3:56 AM
And btw, where do I locate the tach wire?
Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: November 12, 2009 at 10:39 AM
I've done one of these cars.
It was a pain. I charged the guy a bunch extra, but I still didn't charge him enough.
Anyway, both ADS (idatalink.com) and Fortin (ifar.ca) have modules to do this car.
Maybe you could somehow do it without a module, but I never tried. I think that would make it even more work than it already is.
In any case, one Audi keyfob will become a permanent part of the installation.
P.S. Parking lights in this car are controlled by data and I never managed to find them. The car has DRLs in the front to give remote start confirmation.
Posted By: equate
Date Posted: November 12, 2009 at 1:10 PM
Your experience is important for me. the car will go into my shop on Saturday. I haven't done it before.
"In any case, one Audi keyfob will become a permanent part of the installation. "
If you leave a keyfob in car with push start, why do you need transponder? Doesn't it send RF to car? Sorry that I am new on this field. My question might be stupid...
From paper work, PARKING LIGHTS ( + ) GRAY/BLACK (+) BEHIND LIGHT SWITCH , can't you find it? I dont want to spend more money for data module.
And where is DRLs? what is that?
Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: November 13, 2009 at 2:34 AM
On the car I did, I used the idatalink module. I haven't tried the Fortin piece.
You could go to either of those sites, put in your kind of car to find the appropriate product, and then click on the install guides....you'll see where they want you to put one of the existing keys.
I suppose you could look at the install guide for the product, then find the listed wires in the car, test them and try to trigger them directly from your remote start without using the module......good luck.
Even with the module it took a long time. I don't think I would do another one of these cars for less than $500. Maybe $400-450 if the customer was really nice.
There are only a handful of wires behind the parking light switch and all tested like data. I didn't find any parking light wire there.
Posted By: equate
Date Posted: November 13, 2009 at 9:33 AM
Chris Luongo wrote:
I suppose you could look at the install guide for the product, then find the listed wires in the car, test them and try to trigger them directly from your remote start without using the module......good luck.
I look on the manual. It doesnt need that key sense wire.
and what is CANH and CANL? What do they do with alarm?
Posted By: Thack79
Date Posted: November 13, 2009 at 9:45 AM
sends information from your bypass to the computer of the car to lock, unlock, door triggers, etc.
Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: November 13, 2009 at 10:04 AM
CAN= Controlled Area Network.
Those two wires are the module communicating with the car via data.
The module sends computerized data commands to the car to control the doorlocks, trunk, and arm and disarm the factory alarm.
The module also MIGHT be sending data signals during remote start, in addition to controlling those three wires coming from the key cylinder......I have no idea how to test these data wires and see what they're doing......again, not sure if the data commands are absolutely necessary to start the car or not.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 13, 2009 at 10:05 AM
To Thack79; your sentence should have ended with triggers and by-passes the factory transponder/immobiliser. Personally I wouldn't touch a post 03 Audi with a bargepole.
Posted By: equate
Date Posted: November 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Thanks for 3 frds above answered my question.
Chris Luongo wrote:
The module also MIGHT be sending data signals during remote start, in addition to controlling those three wires coming from the key cylinder......I have no idea how to test these data wires and see what they're doing......again, not sure if the data commands are absolutely necessary to start the car or not.
Let's make an example:
For this coming car, Audi A4L. I would use platform 77, type 3.
On manual, I have to connect CANH to ORANGE / LT Green, CANL to ORANGE / Brown. and it says "this twisted pair can be found in driver kick panel from door harness"
How can you be sure these two wires are correct? Are there any other same color wires around there?
How to test these two wires? Or just try it one by one?
And I dont have iDatalink now. I am going to use a bulldog universal transponder. will be problem for door locks/unlocks...etc?
Posted By: metz35
Date Posted: November 13, 2009 at 8:26 PM
howie ll wrote:
To Thack79; your sentence should have ended with triggers and by-passes the factory transponder/immobiliser. Personally I wouldn't touch a post 03 Audi with a bargepole.
come on howie you dont mean that lol....next audi i get ill send your way. lol
honest opinion here, if you dont know what CAN is... i would not touch this car. i been installing 13 years and would not even give this consideration on a slow day
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 14, 2009 at 3:48 AM
metz, I've been making my money this week doing trackers so nice and easy, 10 minutes to do then 20 mins wait while the bloody thing hooks up to our servers etc. etc. No outside in this weather (it's storm time, we have warnings out and floods all over, I have alternate layers of mud and ice on the car). This car is just too complicated for all bar the you, me, Luongos, Piersons and Wallaces of this world to try with apologies to other masters not mentioned. The swine at VAG change those CAN protocols every 2 years or so, you've got 2 separate CANs going into the driver's door alone. I wouldn't even start one without ALL the available crib sheets to hand and probably drive it down to the Clifford importers and get Carlos the tech supervisor to help me! Ref the question about testing CAN, has our poster got a few hundred $ to spend on a nice 'scope? Back to the trackers, I was doing Fiat Ivecos, wait to you get them next year to replace the Dodge Sprinters, nasty pieces of rubbish, or as the company's transport manager said to me, "they're cheap and we'll throw 'em away in 2 years!"
Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: November 14, 2009 at 10:50 AM
equate wrote:
And I dont have iDatalink now. I am going to use a bulldog universal transponder. will be problem for door locks/unlocks...etc?
Yes, most likely. You can try taking the door apart and see if you find wires in there for lock, unlock, arm, disarm, and trunk. And then you can fish wires into the door.
It's not clear from your post if it's your own car or a customer's car............
But either way, I can't understand why the owner of a fancy, $30k-plus brand-new car, or a professional installer who's about to charge $500, can't afford a $50 module to do the job correctly and efficiently.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Chris, without CAN control, you have to go into the driver's door and fudge in an extra alarm driven actuator. No deadlock, no comfort close. I've actually been into the kickwell on a post 04, 2 sets of CAN, speaker wires and 12v+ constant, ignition and ground. Remember that little lot is driving locks windows x4, mirror, mirror fold and mirror heat, lock deadlock door trigger and comfort close plus the audio.
Posted By: equate
Date Posted: November 22, 2009 at 7:20 AM
Chris Luongo wrote:
It's not clear from your post if it's your own car or a customer's car............
But either way, I can't understand why the owner of a fancy, $30k-plus brand-new car, or a professional installer who's about to charge $500, can't afford a $50 module to do the job correctly and efficiently.
Cutomer's car.
I am in China now. I can't get a bypass module here.
Anyway, I finished this car. I think its wiring is different with versions in North America.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 22, 2009 at 7:27 AM
Yes a lot different, all locally built variations differ slightly,quite often the by-passes that work on US models don't work on Euro variants, believe me VAG is a prime example.
Posted By: masterodisaster
Date Posted: December 02, 2009 at 11:14 PM
If anyone can post more info on the 09 Audi wiring I could use a tad bit of help. I spent most of the day trying to get this car done and need parking-light color/location, and also if the key fob stays in the car will it interfere with the other operations of the vehicle (allow the car to be unlocked via the push-button on the exterior door handle?). idatalink tech support did help me, but they didn't know parking light wire color and location.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: December 03, 2009 at 2:40 AM
ref the parking light colours....why not hard wire to the lamp units, one ech side using 3amp diode separation, primary colour will be grey.
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