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I need some help installing a car alarm/Remote start in a 2005 Saturn Ion Redline. I am pretty electronically savvy but this might be over my head. I know that everyone recommends i have a professional do it but i want to learn to do this stuff on my own. I have a lot of questions and i would like to map everything out on the schematic i have of the BCM and ECM and label the wires that need to connect to each other ahead of time so i can just locate the wires and connect them. so that being said i would first like to start with the ignition I know i need a Bypass Module. I have Passlock II. but my car is a Manual so how do i wire up clutch override? and do i need to use relays if i am useing a bypass module? (yes my remote start is designed for manual or automatic so it wont start in gear) Ill start with this and see what people tell me. Thanks everybody for your help ahead of time.

Help us help you - what brand and model of remote start are you attempting to install?

Go to the Vehicle Wiring link at the top of this page; there should be wiring info on an Ion from '03-'07(check each year) that lists the BCM pin locations for the wires.

You've asked "Do I need to use relays if I'm using a bypass module." What difference are you thinking that would make? Not asking sarcastically.

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C Renner's Auto Electronix
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I have an Asian wolf 8000rsx 2-way paging with built in camera. The vehicle wire guide that they have for my car is incomplete. I just meant is there any relays used to connect the bypass module.

This post on the12volt has all the vehicle wiring info you need.

For the clutch bypass - you'll need to determine whether it's normally open(most likely) or normally closed. Once you get to that point you can use a relay to complete/break the circuit as needed.

If you want still more detailed wiring information, go to ALLDATADIY and pay $17 for a subscription for your vehicle.

For the bypass module - there shouldn't be any relays necessary for activation.

If anyone besides the OP is interested, this manual is probably equivalent to the AsianWolf piece.

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C Renner's Auto Electronix
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I have a 2005 Saturn ion redline manual transmission and i am connecting a Scytek vision Guard 8000. The unit says that when connecting to a manual transmission that the following wires must be connected: Tachometer input , Emergency Brake and Door Trigger. what does the door trigger wire get connected to? (i would assume the door trigger but what benefit would this have?) I also want to wire in a neutral safety and I don't see a specified neutral safety wire on the alarm brain however there is a bypass module (needed to bypass my ignition anyways) for manual transmissions i am wondering if this would have a neutral safety wire? and last but not least does anyone know what the neutral safety wire is for this vehicle?

Use a DEI 689m module, neutral safety wire has to see ground during remote start.

The door trigger is part of the "ready mode" for the remote starter. When you get a manual into ready mode, you have to set the system and when exiting the vehicle, the system senses the door open and close and when it closes, shuts down the car and it's ready to be remote started. I just did a 2005 Ion yesterday and make sure you use a ADS-DL for this vehicle and wire it exactly as shown. All the wires except the parking brake & tach is accessible at the driver's side dash and steering column. If you use the ADS-DL, this will take care of the door locks and OEM alarm controls.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Velocity Motors wrote:

The door trigger is part of the "ready mode" for the remote starter. When you get a manual into ready mode, you have to set the system and when exiting the vehicle, the system senses the door open and close and when it closes, shuts down the car and it's ready to be remote started. I just did a 2005 Ion yesterday and make sure you use a ADS-DL for this vehicle and wire it exactly as shown. All the wires except the parking brake & tach is accessible at the driver's side dash and steering column. If you use the ADS-DL, this will take care of the door locks and OEM alarm controls.

Do you have a link where i can purchase this?

I am haveing a hard time locating the Tach wire on the ECM schematic that i have the wire diagram that i have says white or orange in pin B or G @ Ecm and the only white and orange wire is pin B and A and the go to the evap system.

Go to the WHITE wire at the top driver's side of the engine

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Velocity Motors wrote:

Go to the WHITE wire at the top driver's side of the engine

is this in the top plug? connect directly to wire no isolation needed correct?

can you post a diagram of how the door triggers would be wired. My alarm has one+ input and one- input.

the05bluredline wrote:

Velocity Motors wrote:

Go to the WHITE wire at the top driver's side of the engine

is this in the top plug? connect directly to wire no isolation needed correct?

Yes this is the plug right at the top of the engine with 5-6 other wires there. It's the only WHITE wire there. Solder and tape up and split tube loom for protection and run wire back to remote starter.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

the05bluredline wrote:

can you post a diagram of how the door triggers would be wired. My alarm has one+ input and one- input.

Negative Door Trigger Diode Isolation ( https://www.velocitymotorsport.com/images/install_notes/198.jpg )

Use the (-) input off the remote starter

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Velocity Motors wrote:

the05bluredline wrote:

can you post a diagram of how the door triggers would be wired. My alarm has one+ input and one- input.

Negative Door Trigger Diode Isolation

Use the (-) input off the remote starter

Are you related to velocitymotorsport.com at all? the site doesn't seem to functioning properly and the email us think has a bad email.

not getting any more answers from people should i start a new thread?
is this the correct module? (Velocity Motors) it says it doesn't control oem alarm arm/disarm
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GREEN/ BLACK and BLUE/BLACK wires are thyour lock and unlock and also your OEM alarm arm and disarm wires. This serves as a dual purpose wire on the modules,

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

That is the correct website and I just tested the links and also the contact us and I get all the emails from it. I just received 10 emails from the submission form yesterday.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

the05bluredline wrote:

not getting any more answers from people should i start a new thread?
is this the correct module? (Velocity Motors) it says it doesn't control oem alarm arm/disarm

So this is the correct module? Is the door Lock/Unlock wires from the alarm going the GREEN/ BLACK BLUE/BLACK wires? does this mean that the door trigger wires from the Alarm do not need to be installed if the OEM alarm will be activated? Thanks Velocity!!

If the Idatalink Bypass module controls the factory Alarm arm/disarm from the doors just being locked and unlocked. Wont the aftermarket alarm do the same thing without the bypass module. (all starting bypass aside) 2005 Saturn Ion Redline.

You can control the lock and unlock without a module need you need the module for the control of the oem alarm functions.there's no way around it because it's data controlled.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Velocity Motors wrote:

You can control the lock and unlock without a module need you need the module for the control of the oem alarm functions.there's no way around it because it's data controlled.

Ok well before i buy a couple more questions. if the only wires that get hooked into it for remote start is ground output when running, ground and 12V. what do the other wires on the remote start get hooked to such as the starter output, ignition1, and accessory wires. dont these need to be connected to something. and witch 12V and Ground from the remote start do they want connected to the idatalink because there is 3 12v power inputs and only one chassis ground that says to connect to a solid chassis ground. please be specific. Here fill in the blanks if you dont mind posted_image

I have a 2005 saturn ion I am connecting a scytek 8000 remote start.

My question is concerning which bypass module to get. The idataLink (ADS-AL CA) module says it will control the OEM Alarm Arm/Disarm, door locks, trunk, etc. and is over $100.+ module flashing cable. but i can get just a bypass module for remote starting for $22 from Omega. So is Arming/Disarming the factory Alarm really worth the extra money? I can connect the door locks,dome light, trunk and everything from Scytek 8000. so what is the benefit? Why Arm/Disarm the factory alarm at all?

You still need to connect the ACC and the IGN from the remote starter to the vehicle. You will need to connect the starter wire to the clutch bypass wire. The bypass module bypasses the Passlock system and the vehicle starts when the ACC drops out. The option for the control of the OEM alarm arm and disarm is totally up to the customer. If you want control over it or not will be up to you. I only suggested the ADS-DL because this is the module that I used without problems. Integration with the iDatalink module is flawless and will replicate the OEM functions without problems. I'm not familiar with the Omega module, but if you want a module that will only take care of the Passlock system, then you can use the ADS-TBSL-PL instead.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Velocity Motors wrote:

Go to the WHITE wire at the top driver's side of the engine

This is why were not on the same page with the tach wire location. after looking at the pictures i purchased from you the ion 1,2,3 are nothing like the Redline. the Redline is closer to the Cobalt SS. they have the same motor and the 5 pin harness your refering to is not there. I have found a Tach wire. its in the ladder Tach boost gage. Duh. I dont know why i didn't think of that before. however when i rev the motor it spikes between 3V and 10V. Is this to much for the tach wire?

If that's an AC reading it's spot on.

Thanks again Howie 11. I really need your help on this one Howie, seeing as how your the only one who gives me consistently legitimate advise I want to hook up a neutral safety without having to buy the 689m module(which my alarm doesn't have a neutral safety wire that it calls for) so i looked for some alternatives and this is what i put together. Could you also verify that the wires on the bypass and alarm are connected right wires on the car? and what does the Ignition Input get connected to? Thanks again Howie I almost have this install rapped up.
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