alarm selection / 571xv?

hey all names Chris I'm new here and this is my first post please be kind

I have an 84 Camaro with a manual transmission and a carbureted engine so I can't really use the remote start but this is what functions I want in a car alarm

arm/disarm (duh)
trunk pop
2-way system
roll my windows up and down

Now the 571XV and the 530T should do what I need but, I would like to roll my windows up and down with a button AND have them go up when armed

any help will be apreciated

Yup the 571 can do all those things for you! You would have to use two seperate buttons however for window up and down via remote control, just diode both inpus to the up module band toward the alarm side!

so the 571 has 4 buttons can you program the remote start button to roll the windows down? or better yet a combo of lock+aux buttons to roll them up and then unlock+aux to roll them down it the system THAT programmable

Yes!

WOW that was quick, Thank you. I have the install manual and the user manual any other info I might need?

I don't mean to double post but I can't edit yet so...

yes to what? I have read the section in the manual for programming and I cannot find how to program a multi-button command,

The manual says it only has 4 channels so I don't see how it will do what I want it to do unless....

Does the roll-up module decide when to go up and down and not the alarm itself? so pressing a button tells the alarm brain to activate the window module, but then its up to the window module to roll the windows up or down, is that correct? how does the module know where the windows are?

It's far simpler than you've posted. The GWA output (orange wire) tells the 530t to raise the windows on arming. A second aux output from the alarm will then if held for 1 sec vent the windows a couple of inches.  If held for 3-4 secs, it will open them completely. As an install tip, if your swtches are in the doors, run out both motors, I know it's more effort but you will get the full functions, i.e. one touch on both sides.

The window switches are in the center console but, I still have to run the wires through to the door for the locks, so should I still run the window wires to the motors?

No Chris, you pick them up at the switch motor wires. That comment was only if you had door switches with two (or  four) on the driver's door and one each on the passenger doors. You simply have to get "downwind" of the switches. So again easier than you thought!

oh man I'm all worried because although I have done alarms before this one says all over that its very complicated and needs to be install by a professional..blah blah blah but most of the "complxity" lies in the remote start installation (even then it doesn't seem THAT hard, maybe if it was a Cadillac or something))

Quite true, it isn't that hard but then an early 80s Caddy would not really be different from your install, try an early 80s Benz for complexity!

so I got my hands on the 571XV and my window module is on its way I know I may get flamed but I went with the asianwolf/wolfcom module because it was cheaper. If it goes out then I'll buy the $80 DEI one but no need to tell me that it was a mistake as I already bought it

now I just need to know what wire to run to it there are many orange ones

Is there an orange wire on H1 plug?  'Cause that's the one.

yes it says its "ground when armed output"

howie ll wrote:

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It's far simpler than you've posted. The GWA output (orange wire) tells the 530t to raise the windows on arming. .

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   GWA=Ground out When Armed

oh ok I read that but I was thinking about how to lower the windows with the press of a button now as it stands channel 4 is activated when I push aux and lock at the same time. can I program it so the channel 4 is activated when I push the yellow * button

nevermind, I answered my own question lol I'm just antsy because I can't put this in yet so I'm over thinking everything

tcool] wrote:

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The dei 530t is great. It controls 2 windows up and down. You also have the option to vent (crack open) your windows. I think the coolest feature is it converts all of your switches to "one touch" operation. Most cars have this for rolling down the driver's window, but after you hook up a 530t, you have it for both windows- up and down. Very cool.

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does any know if the wolfcom module (Model # SMART), converts your switches to one touch operation?

I need some help, I was installing my alarm today and I cannot figure out the window module, or more accurately my window circuitry, I guess. The window module is pretty simple to wire, I wired it to a window motor I had in the garage and it worked flawlessly but when it came to my windows in the car I hooked it up like it should and the windows would not work properly

my window switches have 4 wires each; one ground, one hot when the ignition is on, and one wire for up and one for down.

I wired in the proper wires for the direction then hook up the module to a constant +12V and a good ground and I touched the activation wire to ground and the relays in the module clicked but my windows did nothing

I looked at my cars wiring diagram (1984 Chevy Camaro) and the wires in the switch go straight to the motor, so I don't know what I am doing wrong.

please help

Notice the polarity of the following info

	Power Unlock		BLACK		(+)		POSITIVE TRIGGER
	PowerLock		LIGHT BLUE		(+)		DRIVER'S KICK PANEL

I hooked up the locks just fine, they work well. It is the windows that I am having trouble with

<<<<<<  Sorry

OK going back to the window lifts, you have two wires from each switch going to each window. In theory with the switch at rest both of these wires should be "sitting at ground" then when you switch up, one should stay at ground and the other should go to 12v+. when you switch down the reverse should happen. Test and tell me if this is so.

I test the wires and neither are grounded when the switches are at rest but, yeah, they switch polarity depending on the direction.

this is my power window diagram



somebody told me that my power windows use a "reverse polarity, rest at nothing system" not the typical "reverse polarity, rest at ground system" and that I need a relay to use the window module, if that's true that's ok but, how do I wire the relay?

I have 4 wires from the window module to hookup. that diagram only show 2 from the "alarm". The window module says it should not be used to run a relay

If the diagram you posted is the actual diagram of your windows, they are reversal rest at ground.  Can you post the diagram for the window module? 

DEI on the 530t specifically give instructions for that type of window control,I've never actually seen it although London Taxis use a similar system on their FRONT door locks. That's why most installers will use a 530t, it might cost more but you will get there.

here is the wiring diagram for the window module hope its not too blurry
wiring

There should be an addendum sheet on different types of "at rest" window switching. top of my head, you could do it with 4 changeover relays but that's too clunky! You're right it's too blurry to read.

Just a thought, use Spal switches instead, will give you neg at rest!

Is it possible that I need to hook up both motors to the module for it to work? I have so far only been testing one side

I can see no reason that you would have to have both windows connected for one to work.   You did cut the loop, right?    You did cut both wires between the switch and the motoor?   Also, it is important to connect the correct wire to the switch end and to the motor end.

ok so I found the problem. the module relays just connect the switch to the motor and thats fine if when the switch is at rest both wires are grounded but in my car both wires are open at rest so when the relay in the window module kicks in it sends power to one wire but nothing to the other wire because its not grounded, so thats the problem.

how do I solve it?

I've already given you the answers, 4 relays (clunky), change the switches for spal type silly or get a 530t which well cover open circuit at rest windows.

this alarm is supposed to cover open at rest windows

If the diagram you posted is the actual diagram for your windows, they are rest at ground.

well that is supposed to be for my car but I checked the leads my self and the rest open

There has to be a section in the instructions covering open circuit at rest if not, sling the Wolf unit and get a 530t instead. This has gone on too long.

well I figured it out, I think. I just ran the wires that are supposed to go to the switch to ground, that won't burn anything up will it? they work well now, except the vent doesn't work. I don't know why.

plus one of the paths on the circuit board were burnt and disconnected, I had to resoldered it

ok so I'm hard headed, I understand that. I broke down and bought the DEI one and everything works smoothly now, meh. live and learn