viper 5301 problems

hi guys just installed viper 5301 remote start in 63 nova
remote start works fine
problem is starting the car with the key
it starts but will not shut down
i disconnected battery both terminals
still running
only way i can get it to shutdown is
pull the coil wire and it shocked me good
with the msd
did i hook up the ignition wires wrong
alarm - ouput to 85
ign 12v 86
wire from ignition switch 87a
other half of cut ignition wire to 30
also purple wire from alarm to 30

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jeff foster

ok now i have nothing the red 12v constant wire goes to 86 do i cut this wire?
ppl cut ignition side to 30
other side to 87a and ppl starter output wire from remote start also to 87a
orange to 85
pink ignition 1 to pink on ignition switch
red 12v constant fused to constant 12v
when i disconnect the battery does it restore defaults
on the remote start as in put it back to manual transmission mode?

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jeff foster

Forget the relay, just look at page 11 or 12 of the install manual, green to starter switch and purple to starter side. That's it. 

What about the pink ignition wire
and the orannge ground when armed

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jeff foster

There is no green just thr green door input
i dont get it sorry thanks for all your help

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jeff foster

Jeff, let's start again, I just looked at the wiring diagramme for this unit  and I'm wondering why you needed a relay in the first place.

I thought i needed one by looking at the basic starter kill diagram on this website

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jeff foster

Right now we're getting somewhere, orange on alarm to relay 85, join from pink to relay 86, starter wire from keyswitch to 87a, purple from alarm, join to starter, starter side at 30. Out of interest it still won't work, how do you intend to prime the fuel as it's probably a carbed car?

What do u mean join From pink to 86
do u mean cut my pink ignition wire and hook
the pink wire from alarm to this or cut and join all3
i m hoping to run a solenoid on the carb its been done before
i cant get the remote start to work
i got headlights flashing with a relay that was easy

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jeff foster

I did say joined to didn't I?

u said joined from pink to 86
ok so there is
ignition switch
red wire 12v do i cut this or just run all my 12v constants?
purple starter wire do i cut this or ?
pink do i cut this or just join the pink ignition wire to pink on the alarm
and brown
and you are saying keyside so i am assuming that is right next to the ignition switch so i would have to cut this wire correct one side is
key side and other is starter side which is the wire going to the
starter right
this is just ridiculous i feel like an idiot


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jeff foster

so this is what i am getting by what you are saying
orange to 85
pink from alarm and ignition switch joined to 86
purple from alarm to 30 and starter wire ppl from starter to 30
starter wire from ignition switch ppl to 87a
so basically i am only cutting the ppl wire from ignition to starter

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jeff foster

Oh please take this vehicle to a pro, your not even looking at what I'm saying, your last 2 posts were completely wrong no wonder you can't make it start.

i want to make this work i dont pay for other people to do my work
how do you learn and i dont appreciate you talking to me that way

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jeff foster

Did you connect the wire to the footbrake?  If you did not connect it, and you remote start the car, the remote start will keep the car running for 10 minutes.  The brake wire kills the car when the brake is depressed.

what i found out is happening is the ground to the ignition switch is not working


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jeff foster

Ground to ignition switch?  No such thing back then (in the 90s some Range Rovers and Jags and more recently Chrysler through multiplexing but back then, no way!  Your car will have 12v+ constant, 12v+ ACC, 12v+ ignition and 12v+  starter. All but the constant will read ground at rest, the acc will drop out on cranking. There might be a second ignition that also drops on cranking, this controls secondary circuits such as heater blower, AC rear defog wipers etc. Ignition circuits that are not involved with engine start.  The more you post the more I think you shouldn't give up the day job.

i am doing this for myself and no i dont do this for a living and if you look on the back of my ignition switch it clearly says ground
like i told you in the first post the remote start works fine its just when i start the car with the ignition switch it wont shut off now it does

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jeff foster

thank you for all of your help everything works fine now
you shouldn't try to discourage people
how did you learn?
did you have somebody telling you that you should have a pro do it
you can't learn that way but anyways i do appreciate all of your help thanks

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jeff foster

jeff foster,

I have to agree with Howie, that your posts aren't making any sense. "Ground to the ignition switch"? It doesn't have one - it switches 12V positive.

And I can't get the first clue from this thread as to what you're attempting to do with relays other than that you've apparently had success getting your headlights to work with one of the auxiliary channels. Which is completely irrelevant to the problem at hand.

Here's some thoughts of mine on how you can possibly get this situation rectified:

1. The first thing you should realize about this, and any other car security/remote start installation (hell, pretty much any aftermarket equipment whatsoever), is that the product being installed is usually not vehicle specific, and you won't necessarily use every wire. Get that into your head, and stop thinking that you need to use every wire coming from this Viper piece.

2. For us to be any help, you need to accurately describe your wire connections. Specify when you're talking about a wire what color its insulation is, what its function is, and whether it's part of the factory wiring on the vehicle or the aftermarket alarm/remote start wiring (or whatever else you might be installing).

3. Aside from the carburetor solenoid which you'll presumably have to add later, installing this remote starter on this vehicle absolutely does not require separate relays. For remote start, you've got 4 high current outputs from the control module and there shouldn't be more than 4 switched ignition, accessory, starter wires on that car. For starter kill (which is optional, and doesn't need to be hooked up for remote start, incidentally), you've got a relay inside the control module, and it's more difficult and completely pointless to add another one like you appear to be doing.

4. I'm guessing your "car won't shut off" problem earlier was due to the remote start staying activated. It doesn't shut off automatically with the key in the ignition or turned to run - you have to either push the brake (which obviously requires the brown brake shutdown input wire from the 5301 to be PROPERLY connected to the car), or open the hood(assuming the gray hood shutdown input is connected), or shut the remote start off with the remote.

5. An older car like yours, which doesn't have any solid state control modules, will not be shut down by removing the battery terminals - it will operate under generator power alone. Also, it would be better to unplug the 12V switched supply to the ignition coil than the high voltage output, should that be possible.

Additionally, it's not good practice to remove battery terminals from a running car - the battery acts to stabilize the voltage supplied by the alternator, and by disconnecting it with the engine running it's possible to cause a voltage spike that damages electronic control modules.

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What did you do to get it to work?

ok this is what i did i took my whole dash apart which somehow has a ground that goes to my ignition which is a green wire
i put my ignition switch back to stock and it still did the same thing
so i added a ground wire to the green wire which wasn't getting grounded
i have 12 volt running to 86
starter wire starter side to 30 and ppl wire from alarm to 30
orange to 85
pink wire from alarm to pink ignition wire
ppl starter wire key side to 87a
you guys are saying i can't have a ground but it says grd on the back of the ignition switch

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jeff foster

change pin 86 from 12 volt to switched ignition. by having it on a constant +12v, the relay is being triggered the entire time the vehicle "armed" or locked with the viper remote. that can end up being a big drain on the battery

ok thank you

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jeff foster