remote start on subaru tribeca

For SUBARU Tribeca 2008, I see that factory disarm must use OEM remote only.

So how to install remote start in it? Every time remote starting, I have to press disarm on OEM remote first??

did you hook up keyless with the remote start or are you planning on just using the factory fobs.

if the factory fob then you must power up the key sense wire to make the fobs work with the engine running and that will disable the alarm.

if you hooked up keyless through the remote start then you don't have to disarm.

anyway that's what my software is saying

hope that helps

monty_77 wrote:

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did you hook up keyless with the remote start or are you planning on just using the factory fobs.

if the factory fob then you must power up the key sense wire to make the fobs work with the engine running and that will disable the alarm.

if you hooked up keyless through the remote start then you don't have to disarm.

anyway that's what my software is saying

hope that helps

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I think I didn't make it clearly enough..Sorry

This car has factory alarm. I look on wiring of this car. it says "Disarm by OEM remoet only". So, if I install remote starter only, the factory alarm would not work, isn't it? if factory alarm is activated, I dont think it can be remote started.

So how to install remote start on it?

most factory alarms are only door alarms they do not control the engine part of the equation.

that is a immobilizers job and that will have to be bypass to start the engine.

monty_77 wrote:

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most factory alarms are only door alarms they do not control the engine part of the equation.

that is a immobilizers job and that will have to be bypass to start the engine.

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I dont understand this..what is door alarms? Doesn't factory alarm monitor Ignition wire/starter wire?

factory alarm watch door triggers and ignition. If your car does not have a disarm wire, set the unit to unlock doors-start-then lock right after start. thaty way is the only method to override the factory alarm.

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tedmond wrote:

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factory alarm watch door triggers and ignition. If your car does not have a disarm wire, set the unit to unlock doors-start-then lock right after start. thaty way is the only method to override the factory alarm.

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So, after start, then lock back, factory alarm would not work, just door locks, right?
If a thief breaks the window, don't open door, just unlock it, then crank the starter wire and Ig wires, he will steel the car away??

I am new guy. Sorry if my questions are stupid....

well this car if remote started, if he hops in and trys to drive away, the brake shutdown will shut down the remote start. with the ignition key, the theif cant drive away, or hotwire for that fact since these cars come with immobilizers.

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Ted
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Your questions aren't stupid, just some of the terminlogy is confusing.

Your car has two separate security systems, and this is wherein lies the confusion.

CONTENT THEFT A.K.A. FACTORY ALARM: This is what beeps the car's horn when someone opens the door with a coat hanger and tries to steal your personal items from the car's interior.

IMMOBILIZER A.K.A. TRANSPONDER KEY: This is the security "chip" inside the head of your keys, which is to prevent the car from being stolen. If someone breaks apart the ignition switch with a screwdriver, the car won't start, because the chip isn't present.

OK, so here's what you do:

IMMOBILIZER: The car came with three keys, right?

You'll get a universal transponder bypass module, such as a DEI 556U, Audiovox AS-TCBM, or similar.

One of your keys (probably your valet key) will go into this little box, stay there forever, and you won't see it again until you decide to remove the remote starter from the car.

Fortin (ifar.ca) makes a no-key-required bypass module, but it needs to be programmed by a Subaru dealer. By the time the dealer charges you 1 hour of labor to program it, it won't be worth it.

CONTENT THEFT:

You could just put a one-button remote starter in the car, and continue using the factory remote for your keyless entry, and to arm/disarm your factory alarm as you do now.

However, every time you remote start the car, the horn will honk briefly.

If you can't live with the horn, there's a procedure (in the car's owner's manual) to disable the factory alarm.

If you can't live with the beep, and also can't live without the alarm.....but you don't mind spending a little money, there are modules from ADS (idatalink.com) and Fortin (ifar.ca) that will disarm the factory alarm during remote start.

Chris Luongo wrote:

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Your questions aren't stupid, just some of the terminlogy is confusing.

Your car has two separate security systems, and this is wherein lies the confusion.

CONTENT THEFT A.K.A. FACTORY ALARM: This is what beeps the car's horn when someone opens the door with a coat hanger and tries to steal your personal items from the car's interior.

IMMOBILIZER A.K.A. TRANSPONDER KEY: This is the security "chip" inside the head of your keys, which is to prevent the car from being stolen. If someone breaks apart the ignition switch with a screwdriver, the car won't start, because the chip isn't present.

OK, so here's what you do:

IMMOBILIZER: The car came with three keys, right?

You'll get a universal transponder bypass module, such as a DEI 556U, Audiovox AS-TCBM, or similar.

One of your keys (probably your valet key) will go into this little box, stay there forever, and you won't see it again until you decide to remove the remote starter from the car.

Fortin (ifar.ca) makes a no-key-required bypass module, but it needs to be programmed by a Subaru dealer. By the time the dealer charges you 1 hour of labor to program it, it won't be worth it.

CONTENT THEFT:

You could just put a one-button remote starter in the car, and continue using the factory remote for your keyless entry, and to arm/disarm your factory alarm as you do now.

However, every time you remote start the car, the horn will honk briefly.

If you can't live with the horn, there's a procedure (in the car's owner's manual) to disable the factory alarm.

If you can't live with the beep, and also can't live without the alarm.....but you don't mind spending a little money, there are modules from ADS (idatalink.com) and Fortin (ifar.ca) that will disarm the factory alarm during remote start.

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Hi Chris

Thanks so much for your reply.
After review your answer, I have following questions. Most important is regarding the factory alarm.

1. I understand immobilizer prevents car stolen. My question is: What does factory alarm do? Monitors door and ignition? Or just door only?
2. On Tedmond's reply, he/she said "If your car does not have a disarm wire, set the unit to unlock doors-start-then lock right after start. thaty way is the only method to override the factory alarm." My question regarding this is :after start, then lock back, will factory alarm work? or just doors are locked?
3. 2nd question continued with No#2 above, after lock back, if car equiped with factory shock sensor, will this sensor work? if it works, it should alarm too because car might be shaking when engine is running.

1) factory alarms usually monitor only door triggers and some monitor ignition or both. You can try it by closing the door, lock the doors with the remotes, leave it for 30 seconds. stick the key into the ignition and turn it on. if it honks like crazy then you know it monitors ignitions as well.

2) after the car is remote started, the factory alarm is no longer functional. after the start, it is now disarmed. The doors will ONLY remain locked, no security feature is available besides the factory immobilzer.

3) if the car is equiped with a shock sensor, like mentioned in 2, the components of the factory alarm will no longer be functional as its disarmed.

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tedmond wrote:

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1) factory alarms usually monitor only door triggers and some monitor ignition or both. You can try it by closing the door, lock the doors with the remotes, leave it for 30 seconds. stick the key into the ignition and turn it on. if it honks like crazy then you know it monitors ignitions as well.

2) after the car is remote started, the factory alarm is no longer functional. after the start, it is now disarmed. The doors will ONLY remain locked, no security feature is available besides the factory immobilzer.

3) if the car is equiped with a shock sensor, like mentioned in 2, the components of the factory alarm will no longer be functional as its disarmed.

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Hi Ted,
Thanks for your reply. Then I have more questions confuse me....

1. From your post, I can see that I just connect the "DISARM" from alarm(For example Compustar CM5000) to "Unlock" of car. Then before remote start, CM5000 will unlock first, then start, then lock it back. Correct?
Then, what difference between it with that a thief breaks the glass get in the car then unlock the door pin, then start the vehicle?(Suppose there is no immobilizer.) Maybe the thief can just ground the unlock wire(suppose it is negative unlock), then start the vehicle.

2. Suppose the car has immobilizer, your guys should add transponder on it. If thief get in the car, ground unlock wire, ground "statu output" from CM5000, then thief should start this car. Am I right?
If so, it is not safe to install remote start on any vehicle.

tedmond wrote:

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1) factory alarms usually monitor only door triggers and some monitor ignition or both. You can try it by closing the door, lock the doors with the remotes, leave it for 30 seconds. stick the key into the ignition and turn it on. if it honks like crazy then you know it monitors ignitions as well.

2) after the car is remote started, the factory alarm is no longer functional. after the start, it is now disarmed. The doors will ONLY remain locked, no security feature is available besides the factory immobilzer.

3) if the car is equiped with a shock sensor, like mentioned in 2, the components of the factory alarm will no longer be functional as its disarmed.

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Hi Tedmond,

I tested one car like this:

1. This car has factory alarm and COMPUSTAR 9000FMR installed.
2. I activate the factory alarm, sitting inside the car. Then press unlock button in car(not remote)
3. Start the vehicle, the factory alarm is going off.

So what if there is no FACTORY DISARM wire, how to install remote start product on it to work with factory alarm?

a thieft would not go through that process of grounding your gwr to the bypass, hot wiring the ignitions etc. from my diagrams, there is no disarm wire, but a method to disarm is to use the
RED (+) keysense wire @ ignition switch in 4pin plug. power this up during the remote start sequence through the status output.

so take a relay
85 - status output from unit
86 - constant 12v
87 - constant 12v
30 - to keysense wire

in order for the car to disarm, it must see ignition, keysense and the transponder

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Ted
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Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
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tedmond wrote:

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a thieft would not go through that process of grounding your gwr to the bypass, hot wiring the ignitions etc. from my diagrams, there is no disarm wire, but a method to disarm is to use the
RED (+) keysense wire @ ignition switch in 4pin plug. power this up during the remote start sequence through the status output.

so take a relay
85 - status output from unit
86 - constant 12v
87 - constant 12v
30 - to keysense wire

in order for the car to disarm, it must see ignition, keysense and the transponder

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How to check/test which wire is keysense if I dont have its wiring?
I arm the car with factory remote, then unlock the door by press the button in car(not on remote), then start the car with factory key, the factory alarm still goes off.
Thanks Tedmond

when you disarm through the press of the button on the door, the door was unlocked from the inside, therefore it tells the car someone must has smashed the window and unlocked it from inside. afterall, how would u open locks from the inside if no1 was really inside right.

to test for the keysense wire.

take your DMM, black to ground, and red to the wire you will be testing. set the meter to 20vdc. the meter will read 0v and when you insert the key into the ignition cylinder, the meter will now read 11-13vdc. i did mentione the wiring. what your looking for is

RED (+) keysense wire @ ignition switch in 4pin plug

hope this helps. good luck!

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

tedmond wrote:

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when you disarm through the press of the button on the door, the door was unlocked from the inside, therefore it tells the car someone must has smashed the window and unlocked it from inside. afterall, how would u open locks from the inside if no1 was really inside right.

to test for the keysense wire.

take your DMM, black to ground, and red to the wire you will be testing. set the meter to 20vdc. the meter will read 0v and when you insert the key into the ignition cylinder, the meter will now read 11-13vdc. i did mentione the wiring. what your looking for is

RED (+) keysense wire @ ignition switch in 4pin plug

hope this helps. good luck!

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Thanks a lot. I got it.
Is this working for most vehicles? What are the different maker/models?

not all cars will require the keysense to be powered. on the mazdas, insted of going to the doors for disarm, if you power up keysense that will disarm the system. This applies for some toyotas as well.

most car will have a dedicated disarm wire either in the DKP or door, as i mentioned its very rare you will be powering up a keysense wire.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
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Trust me, I just did a Tribeca a couple of months ago, and an Impreza the other day.

Do the tests I mentioned, and you'll see there's no way to silently disarm the factory alarm without the remote.

Keysense won't help either.

Just do this and you'll see:

1. Open window.
2. Exit car, arm alarm, leave car alone for a minute or so.
3. Reach in through open window, insert ignition key, start engine.
4. You'll hear a pretty good horn honk as the car starts.

Again, these are the choices you have:

--If you can live with the honking, install a 1-button remote start only.

--If you hate the honking but don't care about security, install a 1-button and turn the factory alarm off.

--If you really like the factory alarm and don't mind spending money, get a module from idatalink.com and install a 1-button. It will disarm the factory alarm before remote starting.

--If you want security but don't particular care about the factory alarm, turn the factory alarm off, and install a whole new alarm/start combo unit.

chris, i wonder if the new subarus will have a wire similar to the hondas. where if you break the wire, it will disarm the factory alarm, and if its reconnected, its rearmed. i guess we wont find out until more info is readily available.

from just talking to a few friends, they said the tribeca will disarm if you power up the ignition, keysense and transonder bypass simultaniously. The only way i could think of that is to use the existing ignition wire, use a relay and convert the polarity for the keysense and bypass. that way it turns on all at once. maybe someone else can try it and let us know how it goes.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert