2004 titan, viper 5901, dlpk
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: April 28, 2024 at 11:47 AM
Topic: 2004 titan, viper 5901, dlpk
Posted By: big_b16
Subject: 2004 titan, viper 5901, dlpk
Date Posted: January 14, 2010 at 7:32 PM
Hey guys, I'm about to install a 5901 w/DLPK in a 2004 Titan Crew Cab. According to the DLPK manual, for a D2D 2-way install, I only hook up the can hi, can low, positive ignition input from the truck, and a negative door pin to the truck (along with the LED wire). Also in the DLPK instructions, the alarm needs a lock and unlock signal on pins 13 and 14 from the Viper. After connecting the wires on the DLPK, do I hook up all other necessary wires on the VIper's H1, H2, and H3 harnesses and the negative lock/unlock outputs on the Viper to pins 13, 14 on the BCM. I was under the impression the DLPK relieved some wiring...maybe that's just the door lock wiring. If so, should I still diode isolate the door triggers? I've got the wiring diagrams from here and bulldog and both are the same (they say to diode isolate the door triggers...but don't know if that isn't needed with the DLPK). Thanks for any thoughts. I just want to get the thing installed right the first time and not have a vehicle out of commission because I didn't know where a wire should connect.
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Posted By: big_b16
Date Posted: January 16, 2010 at 9:03 PM
Anyone...do I still need to diode isolate with DLPK?
Posted By: mikvot
Date Posted: January 16, 2010 at 11:20 PM
They say to diode isolate if you are hooking into the vehicles independent door triggers...which you are not.. If you look at the manual for your module, the door trigger input of the alarm is going straight to the dlpk. There would no reason to diode isolate here. You will only need wiring to the empty pins, if your truck is FACTORY ALARM equipped. If it does, this module is sort of worthless....it will do the job, but I would of spent my money on an Idatalink ads-al-ca.
Posted By: big_b16
Date Posted: January 17, 2010 at 11:45 AM
Thanks for the thoughts. The DLPK in a D2D 2 way setup is only showing an output connection for the driver door pin. The D2D 1 way has the door trigger as an output to the alarm. It has the factory alarm (for whatever it's worth), what would I gain with the idatalink that I can't get with the DLPK? Regarding the starter circuit, the Titan has the 2 starter wires, the bulldog instructions say both connect to the starter output...should I relay starter 2 or not?
Posted By: mikvot
Date Posted: January 17, 2010 at 12:56 PM
I would try it in D2D one way mode, and see what happens. It's only 3 more connections. I personally NEVER run anything in D2D mode. I do everything W2W just to avoid any complications. D2D IMO is just too unreliable. Yes, you will need a relay for the second starter.
Posted By: mikvot
Date Posted: January 17, 2010 at 1:02 PM
big_b16 wrote:
what would I gain with the idatalink that I can't get with the DLPK?
1 You wouldn't be wondering why it wasn't working....Lol...just messing with ya. 2 Factory arm and disarm, through the module. NO inserting wires into the bcm.....not that there is anything wrong with doing this...I've done in on NIssans for years. But, it would of saved you some time. 3 Very clear install instructions, and the best tech support in the industry. You would have to wire the Idatalink w2w, but as I already mentioned, that's how I do everything.
Posted By: big_b16
Date Posted: January 17, 2010 at 3:19 PM
Well, unfortunately Rad Shack only had SPST relays in an automotive size...which shouldn't matter since I'm only using it for the starter 2 on the truck. Now, should I use the neg starter output logic signal (200mA) from the H2 to trigger the Starter 2 voltage to the starter and use the violet Starter Output on the H3 plug for the Starter 1 voltage?
Posted By: another-kelly
Date Posted: January 18, 2010 at 9:00 AM
yes use the small gauge violet negative starter output to trigger the relay. personally, i just connect the +12v input for the relay to +12v constant
Posted By: big_b16
Date Posted: January 18, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Thanks, I'm guessing that pulling the +12V from the ignition coil will not have too much current for the coil of the relay. Do you know if I'm not planning on adding anything other than a couple extra piezo sirens and a glass breakage sensor, do I need to apply power to the flex relays? Are there ones that have to be powered for the basic functions to be usable?
Posted By: big_b16
Date Posted: January 23, 2010 at 9:20 PM
Does anyone know if the keysense wire will need to be energized to stop the OEM alarm from going off with the DLPK? I can use the H2/10 (-) Status Output through a relay to put a +12 on the Keysense wire if needed. Does the OEM starter 2 wire go directly to the starter and require being cut like the main starter wire?
Posted By: another-kelly
Date Posted: January 24, 2010 at 12:20 PM
no, look at the first page of the dlpk supplement for that truck. you pin 13 and 14 of the bcm to control the factory alarm
click here for the supplement
Posted By: big_b16
Date Posted: January 24, 2010 at 4:15 PM
Thanks. Any ideas about the starter 2 circuit? It's the last thing I want to verify before I get this thing put in. Question is...do I cut the starter 2 wire like the starter 1 wire with the kill circuit, or do I just relay a 12v pos to the wire and leave it intact on the ignition. In other words, is the Viper only interrupting one starter wire since both are needed in order to start and removing one is as good as both?
Posted By: big_b16
Date Posted: January 25, 2010 at 6:24 PM
Posted By: another-kelly
Date Posted: January 25, 2010 at 8:45 PM
from my experience and testing, just the first starter needs interrupted for starter kill
Posted By: copperhead
Date Posted: December 26, 2010 at 12:01 AM
Did you successfully install the viper with dlpk? Mine will crank but wont start. Im using vss3000.
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