acura tl xk01 and 5901 problem

Hello all,
I searched and couldn't find a similar problem. I installed a Viper 5901 into my 2005 Acura TL without nav on Sunday. I used the PKAll for my Immobilizer bypass and I had a friend at Best Buy flash the XK01 for my door lock/Factory alarm integration (Factory alarm is in driver's door, didn't feel like messing with it). I hooked up the XK01 D2D to the Viper 5901 and the only wire I had to install to my car was the violet to my Factory Alarm's data wire.

Everything worked as supposed to except... when I remote start the car, for about 4 to 5 seconds while the car is cranking, the alarm unlocks my doors. I can see the factory LED going off (Factory alarm disarms as it's supposed to) and the viper stays armed, but my doors are unlocked for 5 seconds, then re-lock after cranking.

Has Anyone ever experienced this? Is there a way to get the XK01 to disarm the factory alarm without unlocking my doors? I raised this question on a TL forum and someone using a canmax400dei instead of the XK01 says there door locks to not unlock during remote start, they were unfamiliar with the XK01 though.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
Justin

thats pretty normal for most Honda and Acuras i've done... they unlock, crank, then re-lock.... only open for 1-2 seconds

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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
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Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979

So now... and maybe I changed something on accident while messing with this... the doorlocks stay unlocked the entire time the car is sitting remote started. The Viper is still armed, but the factory alarm isn't... anyone know how to at least get it back to where its only open for 5 seconds?

Exactly what "messing" did you do?

Since you are using D2D, I assume that you do not have the H1/9 wire hooked to the dome light wire?

You should also have the viper menu feature 2-5 set to off.

What version firmware is flashed to the XK01?

Hey Joebubba,
My friend is out today but he told me that he flashed the XK01 with the latest firmware, not sure which version.

The only wires hooked up to XK01 are D2D and the violet wire going to my factory alarm data wire.

Could you please explain what you are referring to when you say viper menu feature?

Also, when I installed the xk01, the LED illuminated but would never go out when I turned the car to ignition, I tried hitting lock and unlock with the Viper Remote and that did nothing, I tried hitting lock/unlock with my factory car remote and that got the XK01 to work with the 5901. Not sure why it didn't work per the directions.

Justin

You need to find out what version number he flashed. "Latest version" doesn't tell us anything.

Viper menu item 2-5 on pg 42 and 47 of the installation manual.

I believe the XK01 instructions intended you to use the factory remote, not the viper remote to program the module. I'm not familiar with XK01 programming nuances, but there's a chance that using the viper remote during the programming sequence screwed something up. Just to be sure, I'd reset the XK01 and reprogram using the factory remote only.

So I need to have:

nuisance prevention set to off
Valet switch pulse count set to... ? Off isn't an option, its on 1 now
Door trigger error chirp set to off
and ign-controlled dome light set to off?

Also you are correct about the way the module is programmed with the Factory remote. The xk01 manual talks about some programmable options, are any of them disarm factory alarm without unlock? Here is the install directions, check Page 3.

https://www.xpresskit.com/VehicleCompatibility.aspx?v=1662&ps=1

6th one down, click on install directions

I was only referring to menu 2, item 5: ignition controlled dome light. Set it to off.

Personally, I'd set Nuisance protection on, but it shouldn't have anything to do with your current problem.

Leave the other two as is.


On the module modes (pg 3), #1 (priority unlock) is not available on D2D.

You'll need to use mode #8, option 2 to reset the module and then reprogram using the factory remote only. I have no idea if this will make a difference, but it's worth a try.

Other than that, if the you can verify that the latest version is flashed, then that may just be the way the XK01 operates (unlocks to disarm during remote start, then relocks).

So you think turning ignition controlled dome light will keep the doors from unlocking during remote start? Thanks for your help. I'm at work, don't have my factory key pad with me, I'll reprogram and try it when I get home.

Don't really think so, but it has caused disarm/lock/unlock problems with other modules. Can't remember the specifics. You don't need this option enabled with a door lock module. I think most people with dl modules turn it off.

whoa, never had a honda or acura unlock prior to starting.

make sure the unit is not set to unlock - start - lock.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
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Hey Tedmond, where would this setting be found at? I don't see anything like that on the Viper 5901. Thanks,
Justin

I'm not familiar with that setting either. I don't see it anywhere in the Viper menu.

Did you reset and reprogram the XK01?

Did you find out what version firmware was flashed?

JoeBubba,
I reset the Viper and now my doorlocks are locking after 5 seconds again. The firmware is flashed with 2.06, we didn't do a reflash, my friend didn't think it would help. After reading through the manual for the Honda/Acura firmware on the XK01, I couldn't find any options to adjust the XK01 to disarm the factory alarm but not unlock the doors. I'm kind of at a loss unless someone else has some other ideas. Thanks for your help.
Justin

No, as I said in the previous post (below), try resetting and reprogramming the XK01 using only the factory remote. There is a chance that when you used the Viper remote first (instead of the factory remote) that the XK01 learned an incorrect signal. I doubt this will make a difference since the light didn't go out until you used the factory remote. However, I'd give it a shot just to be sure.

Version 2.06 is the correct version, so that's ruled out.

Also, did you disable the dome light supervision on the Viper?

Once you've tried all of those, I'm out of suggestions. That may just be the way the XK01 operates. I know that in Acuras (and Hondas) the factory alarm can be disabled without unlocking the doors. The XK01 may not take advantage of this... Ideally a well written firmware would only disable the factory alarm (and not unlock the doors) before RS on a car that had that capability.

joebubba wrote:

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....You'll need to use mode #8, option 2 to reset the module and then reprogram using the factory remote only. I have no idea if this will make a difference, but it's worth a try....

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JoeBubba,
I did reset and reprogram the xk01 as you said to and used the factory alarm keypad, I just didn't reflash the module, so no luck there. I disable dome the domelight as well, like I said, at least it is relocking itself after 5 seconds again instead of staying unlocked during the entire duration the car is sitting remote started. I think I'll just have to keep checking the expresskit page to see if a new firmware is released, one that maybe has a fix for this problem. Thanks again for your help.
Justin

Well, sorry nothing worked. Maybe Tedmond will know more. Good luck!

Thanks

on the dei units, there is a setting where you can program it to unlock prior to starting.

i deal alot with honda and acuras, so i know them pretty much inside out. I did a tl, but never ran into problems with the locks.

try disconnecting the locks to the xk01 and see if they still do funny things.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Tedmond,

What are you referring to in the DEI units when you say there is an unlock option? As far as I've been able to determine, there is an option to disarm (menu item 2-7) but not to unlock. Are you confusing this with an unlock option?

Also, he can't disconnect the locks. The XK01 is wired D2D. There is no wiring from the Viper or the XK01 going to any lock or disarm wire.

JB

hey joebubba,

i dont deal much with dei, but the unit i had on hand, i was able to program it to unlock since the cars disarm wire was done via door locks and did not have a disarm wire.

as for OP, trash the d2d and use w2w. That way you can troubleshoot whats wrong.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert