viper 160xvl no remote start

I have just installed a Viper 160xvl in a 2009 Pontiac G6 using a Fortin CAN-SL2 bypass.

The door lock/unlock and trunk pop work fine but the remote start will not work.

Checked the voltage with a DMM for the ignition and accessory and they are fine.

When lock/unlock function are pressed lights in the Fortin and Viper will flash.

When remote start is pressed nothing, no lights on the Fortin or the Viper flash. The unit is not in Valet mode.

It would seem that the Viper would flash even if it were not connected to a car as long as it had the proper input voltage when the remote start function is pressed.

I my mind I am not getting the remote start output from the Viper.

Thanks for any help on this.

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Stittville Ed

did you put thin black wire to ground? or switch? if so is switch in on position? did you program tach? or if not did you set to tachless? try those


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GreenGables

doubt its the remote but to confirm, tap the blue white wire to ground if it starts the remote start cycle, its remote, but i doubt. its one of the shut down wires ie: brake switch, hood switch, or toggle switch.

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GreenGables

sorry WHITE/ blue...(external activation input)

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GreenGables

I did the tach learn and have disconnected the thin black wire from the switch.

No change, no lights from Viper of Fortin.

Thanks

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Stittville Ed

gabedemelo wrote:

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doubt its the remote but to confirm, tap the blue white wire to ground if it starts the remote start cycle, its remote, but i doubt. its one of the shut down wires ie: brake switch, hood switch, or toggle switch.

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I tapped the WHITE/ blue to ground, no change

No lights from the Viper or Fortin.

I disconnected the shut down wires, no change

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Stittville Ed

the thin black wire for sure needs to be to ground either through switch or straight to ground
do straight for now. check ribbon cable to relays and 30a fuses,... that unit has the relay pack right? are you pressing lock and unlock the same time to start? or the star button? 1 activation pulse,.. or more? sorry i know some of this seems obvious but,....

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GreenGables

and lastly the most obvious is module flashed to new software? i hate those gm ignitions/modules, either they are gravy or they are nightmare. ive switched to datalink but still have some problems just less. especially d2d never works 100% lemme look up get back

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GreenGables

ok,, the module says it learns?

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GreenGables

is there power, ground, -ignition on module? try holding ground to modules brown wire then remote starting

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GreenGables

gabedemelo wrote:

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the thin black wire for sure needs to be to ground either through switch or straight to ground
do straight for now. check ribbon cable to relays and 30a fuses,... that unit has the relay pack right? are you pressing lock and unlock the same time to start? or the star button? 1 activation pulse,.. or more? sorry i know some of this seems obvious but,....

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The thin black wire was for shut down not te main system ground, if that is what you are asking.

Yes the unit has a relay pack. I did check all the fuses and voltage's with a DMM

I did not press the lock and unlock at the same time to try and start, I pressed the star button.

I did try 1 activation pulse and 2 pulses.

Thanks

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Stittville Ed

gabedemelo wrote:

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and lastly the most obvious is module flashed to new software? i hate those gm ignitions/modules, either they are gravy or they are nightmare. ive switched to datalink but still have some problems just less. especially d2d never works 100% lemme look up get back

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It is not hooked up d2d, no provision on the Viper 160

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Stittville Ed

thin black wire is toggle switch shut down,.. it has to see ground to start,.... the "on off" switch throws ground when in on position. trust me i know dei. hehe just not models etc. if that is not seeing ground that is either one of or -the- problem.

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GreenGables

sorry the thin BLACK/ WHITE wire

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GreenGables

gabedemelo wrote:

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thin black wire is toggle switch shut down,.. it has to see ground to start,.... the "on off" switch throws ground when in on position. trust me i know dei. hehe just not models etc. if that is not seeing ground that is either one of or -the- problem.

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YOU ARE "THE MAN"

Connected the BLACK/ white to the on/off switch and the Viper tried to start the car.

Tried 3 times but would not start...............So I put the key in and pressed the star button and................wait for it..........the car started !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So now I know that the Viper unit is good.

The first thing I will do is relearn the Fortin bypass to see if that helps.

I'm using the same WHITE/ blue to pin 86 on the relay connected to the transponder connector, if this is correct.

I don't know how to measure any of the voltages at the relay to see if they are OK

Thank You very much for your time in helping me figure this out

I owe you a few beers :-)))

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Stittville Ed

I reprogrammed the Fortin CAN-SL2 but still no crank all 3 times hte Viper tries to start the car

On newer cars am I correct that we do not connect a wire the the starter wire from the remote ?????

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Stittville Ed

dont think you hardly use any ignition wires,... thats what i mean about those ignitions they suck sometimes. make sure the resistance in and out wires are correct,.... dont use t taps especially on the bypass wires. same with voltage in and out wires. to save yourself time and energy use universal bypass with ring for key part..... if youll notice when the car will not start the passlock light is flashing in dash. i know it suck but sometimes the modules just wont get the pk3 right and you can spend all day reprogramming checking wires etc or just suck it up and lose key...... i dont get the last part, are you already using 2 bypass'?

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GreenGables

Got everything working this morning.

I was using the wrong wire to the bypass, I needed a ground out while running.

Called Fortin and they told me a CAN-SL2 can be programmed as many times as you want, but their web site said after 2 attempts you would have to send it back to be "Unlocked"

They also told me I was using the wrong wire for ground out while running.

Changed one wire and started right up with no problem.

All my connections were soldered.

All I have to do now is pull the console to connect the brake shut down wire.

Thanks for all your help in getting this working.

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Stittville Ed