clifford 20.7x in 2004 grand am
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=120536
Printed Date: May 14, 2025 at 9:28 PM
Topic: clifford 20.7x in 2004 grand am
Posted By: job8293
Subject: clifford 20.7x in 2004 grand am
Date Posted: March 05, 2010 at 7:57 PM
Hello- I was hoping anybody who has installed a remote starter in a 2004 Pontiac Grand Am could help me out. I have installed a couple of basic remote starters in Honda Civics with no problem, in the Grand Am I am having some trouble locating the ignition harness. What is the easiest way to access this? Thanks for anyone's help!
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Posted By: joebubba
Date Posted: March 05, 2010 at 9:03 PM
Looks like you need to remove the radio (read the notes at the bottom):
https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/vehicles.html
Click Pontiac, look for the 02-04 GrandAm link -------------
Posted By: job8293
Date Posted: March 05, 2010 at 9:08 PM
I removed the radio and can see the ignition harness where it goes into the ignition switch. The wires seem very tight, there is very little slack to work with, I didn't know if there was another way to access them where there was a little more give in the wires.
Posted By: job8293
Date Posted: March 05, 2010 at 10:57 PM
Also, the wiring diagram lists the starter wire as yellow, however in the ignition harness there are no yellow wires. There is a heavy gauge off white wire, is this the starter wire?
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: March 06, 2010 at 5:51 AM
I recently did an 03 Grand AM. The 03-06's should be the same. The easist way to get the IGN wires is by removing the radio. While space is limited, there is a litttle slack in the harness. Just cut open the harness and expose the wires. On the one I did, the starter wire was Yellow but Its always best to verify all wires with a DMM. For a bypass, I would recommend the iDatalink modules, like the ADS DLSL GM1. Its does the bypass, doors, alarm, trunk & tach for you. ------------- Soldering is fun!
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 06, 2010 at 6:55 AM
i just did one last friday as well. If youunbolt the ignition cylinder, it gives you abit more room to work with. I was using a fortin piece but i couldnt get it to program for some reason. I used 1 relay and resistor and i was on the dot for resistance reading, so it worked great. ------------- Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
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Posted By: job8293
Date Posted: March 06, 2010 at 3:31 PM
Thanks for the help everyone. I was just trying to put the hood pin switch in and am having trouble finding a place to feed the wire through the firewall. For those of you that have worked on a grand am is it easier to drill a new hole or use any exisitng holes? Thanks again!
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: March 06, 2010 at 3:38 PM
I used a tilt switch mounted to the hood. I did not drill a hole so I must have found a pre-existing hole with gromet to pass the wire it thru. I can't remember exactly where though.
------------- Soldering is fun!
Posted By: job8293
Date Posted: March 06, 2010 at 4:19 PM
You can just tie into the tilt switch?
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: March 06, 2010 at 4:38 PM
Your car does not come with a tilt switch on the hood. I add it as part of the R/S install. Instead of the spring loaded hood pin that comes with the R/S, I use the Omega AU-46 tilt switch. I don't like drilling holes, so I mount it to the hood with one of the hood hinge mounting bolts. The tilt switch itself comes with 2 leds. One goes to the R/S hood pin (-) input. The othe led goes to chasis ground under the hood. More reliable that a hood pin which ends up rusted/corroded within a year. The only drawback is if you park the car on a very steep hill it might think the hood is up and not allow a remote start. ------------- Soldering is fun!
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 06, 2010 at 6:14 PM
with your head under the dash, there are 2 huge grommets for factory wires. one black(lower) and grey (higher) towards the left i used the black one since it was easier to get access to in the engine bay. i used a bracket to mount my spring hood pin towards the right side of the engine bay. ------------- Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
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Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 06, 2010 at 6:16 PM
also, for door locks you dont need relays. they work fine with the outputs on the unit. Depending on model, some require 1500ohm to unlock, i used 500 ohm and it worked fine. defrost is also very easy to get to behind the hvac controls. no relay required. you need a latched (-) signal.
------------- Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert
Posted By: job8293
Date Posted: March 07, 2010 at 1:48 PM
I am actually working on the door locks now. So I do not need relays? From what I can see its a 1 wire (-) system and I have a lock and unlock wire to tie into it. How do I go about this? Thanks for everybody's help, I don't think I could've gotten through this without it!
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: March 07, 2010 at 5:32 PM
Attach your lock (-) output from the R/S directly to the cars lock/unlock wire. Attach the R/S's unlock wire to a 1500 ohm resister and then attach the other end of the resister to the cars locl/unlock wire ( same wire that lock is attached to ).
------------- Soldering is fun!
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 07, 2010 at 6:23 PM
it uses a resistor to unlock. this 1 wire system is called a multiplex. As mentioned before, my tech sheet said 500, and another said 1500. I used 500 and it worked fine. ------------- Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 07, 2010 at 6:27 PM
white wire in the DKP, it comes through a black rectangular plug with a blue cap. you cant miss it. connect lock straight to this wire, connect the unlock with resistor inline. If you use the tan wire, its for the driver priority unlock (reverse polarity = relay required)
------------- Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert
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