looking for info about zenesis

Hi,
I have a 2001 Honda Accord 4 Door DX model (nothing powered in the car) and recently I was looking to find some good and nice (cool) alarm system.

It happened that i saw something about Zenesis alarms and i start looking more info about it. I like what features are offered even though i might not be able to use all of them but the ones that i am interested seem to be incorporated in it.

What i would like is to prepare myself if i decide to go with this alarm and so i want to start to create a list with what i need to successfully install the alarm in my car.

The features that i want to use should be :
- arm/disarm alarm
- lock/unlock all 4 doors
- hood and trunk switches
- kill start engine
- remote engine start
- z-pass touch
- maybe open trunk - if i will learn more about that.

Now i understand that beside the alarm i may have to purchase actuators for my doors and a bypass system.
In terms of bypass i understand that Fortin is the one that works with Zenesis alarms, I will look more into that as well.

But besides these i understand that i may need to use relays.
question is how many and will i need to prepare myself to buy some diodes (this is based on what i have read in one of the threads - and the person was installing a window remote open and close) for the door lock/unlock system ?

In the meantime i will read more about installing properly an alarm system.

I have to say that i don't have very much knowledge about electronics but i am quick in understanding the principles, however i do have technical skills.
I understand there will be members that look at this and say ... ok here is another smart-a** trying to pretend he can install a car alarm, so please give me a chance and have patience with my questions.
Thank you all.

Zenesis will work with any bypass if wired the traditional w2w (wire to wire method), but if you want data which i dont use, then fortin is your best bet. if you dont have door locks and want them, actuators will need to be installed. 

you might use up to 5 relays for defrost, lock/unlock if actuators are installed, trunk release, starter kill/anti grind, etc. You will also need some 1N400x (x can be any number) diodes as well.

this car is actaully VERY easy to do, all the wires are available at the ignition collumn and fuse box. The disarm can be done by going to the passenger fuse box, or if you use a module, it will save time but cost slightly more. IMO, i would use the module concicdering you are installing for the first time. 

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Thank you tedmond .

I will get back probably after i will receive the alarm.

Now i have couple a questions based on what you wrote ... what did you mean by defrost? and what is it about the disarm ? and you are saying to use a module instead disarming, that's where i got a little lost.

you can wire up the unit to turn on the defrost if the temperature is below x degrees. Its a nice feature during the winter, i use it during the winter and its great.

The vehicle has a factory alarm, so you will need tohook up the disarm wire. Although the module can do disarm so you wont have to run wires to the passenger fusebox, the module takes care of locks, unlock, disarm, rearm, immobilizer bypass as well. What you are ultimatly doing is running lets say for example,8 wires to the module, from the module 2 wires to the car and everything is controlled.

its just a shortcut in a way but a time saver and headache saveer if installing for the first time. In this case i would use an idatalink module. If you dont want to spend the buck, a Fortin HONDA-SL3 will work fine. If you are paying more than 35 USD, you are getting ripped off as these are only 20-25 CAD

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

btw, how come zenesis?

i have done a few, they are not bad, but i think the compustar units are WAY better in my opinion

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

tedmond wrote:

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btw, how come zenesis?

i have done a few, they are not bad, but i think the compustar units are WAY better in my opinion

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yeah i was searching the whole last week about alarms and the one that keep popping up more frequent was viper, cliford and python and zenesis and some no name companies. seems the viper and cliff and python are made by the same company.

so i looked for the specifications of all and seems that zenesis it is just a new one on the market and i like the look of it, i believe it is not a bad alarm and i decided to give it a chance.

i live in california and here it only rains in the winter and it barely gets so cold to freeze. so i will think more about the defrost one.

also about the alarm, i thought that my DX doe not have an alarm, i checked with the dealers and they told me based on my VIN that the only security is the immobilizer ... so if you think i do have a factory alarm where should i look for it ?

and in terms of wiring diagrams for the car i should just research here on the site or should i ask at the dealership ? i hope they are going to give me the diagram if i request it ... lol

thanks

if it sucks i will let everybody know about it ... :)))

The DX was the base model and it does not come with the factory alarm system.

I highly doubt the dealer would supply the wiring diagrams for you car.
They can order you the wiring manual for you though.
Depending on which individual systems you are interested in, I may be able to provide you a copy.

91stt] wrote:

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The DX was the base model and it does not come with the factory alarm system.

I highly doubt the dealer would supply the wiring diagrams for you car.
They can order you the wiring manual for you though.
Depending on which individual systems you are interested in, I may be able to provide you a copy.

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sounds good thanks . i did more research here on the forum and found out that bulldog's website has the wiring for free for a lot of cars.
i will get back here as soon as i will learn more about the bypass systems ... so far i am still in the research phase.

thanks for all the help ... i like this forum very much ...

i can send you a diagram from fortin or omega, and that will ahve everything you need.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

tedmond wrote:

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i can send you a diagram from fortin or omega, and that will ahve everything you need.

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yes that would be nice ... thanks

I think i will go with fortin honda sl3 because i dont want to buy and reprogram another key to put it int the module. as i read on their website it has the chip that can be programed with the existent key ... at least that's what it makes me think from what i've read.

so ... so far everything seems in plan and this weekend i should get on to looking for prices for the components and for alarm. i will have to open the door pannels to see what is inside there and where can i position the actuators and then search for the nice decent ones ... any suggestions in terms of actuators ?

the fortin piece works beautifully, never had a problem at all.

i think all actuators are the same.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

funny thing today.
i decided to check around the shops in my area and call all to ask about what brands they are using. all of them have DEI, any of the products that they have are from the same company just different name.
it made me realized that in reality this is just monopoly.

there is one more that seems that is also familiar and that one is audiovox and omega (but i understood that they were bought by audiovox).

and nobody heard of zenesis. this is one more reason to try something new, something different.

as for the actuators i found on the net a bunch of them so i understand that most are universal some with 2 wire and some with 5 wire from what i found out.

OK two wire are slave,5 wire are masters. You should buy 1 master, 3 slaves and the blue dedicated relay with looms, i.e. a complete kit. Ignore 5 wires on the front passenger door, you will have triggering problems.
Best quality by far is MES followed by Spal. You then set up your alarm for NEG (Type "B") lock/unlock outputs, job done.
The ONLY important thing about the actuators is to get a smooth run without too much friction or "effort". Remember to avoid all mechanisms in the door such as catches, window lifts.
TEST electrically and physically every motor wire, one side to constant, other (motor wire) side to ground, then reverse, redo with door panel reattached.
As for the alarms, you will get a different product from the East Coast (Ted is in Canada near the N.Y. border) where you are on top of DEI (Clifford, Viper, Python, Hornet etc.), just like here they rule the roost but like Zenesis they have had an ongoing reliability problem. Unlike Zenesis they haven't cured it.
Compustar and Avox (Audiovox, Prestige, Code) are all very good products.
Buying an unknown or unbranded product, especially from FleaBay is a waste of time and money. They rarely work and there's no warrantee or technical back-up.
Yes I read your first post post but I still strongly advise against doing this yourself.
It ain't your brains, it's your hands on experience! Right, Ted?

howie thanks for the info. i understood everything about the actuators now what i didnt get was what "blue dedicated relay with looms" is ?

i have installed about 4 years ago an alarm 7e7 astra ... which it is an unknown brand i can say and i installed it in a 97 mazda mx6 - so it's just a 2 door car and i installed actuators and the alarm and it is still working very good even today.

i wanted to add more features after i closed everything and i finally realized that is good to put all the features from the beginning because i will never get a chance to open that car again to add stuff to it ...

If you buy either the MES or Spal kit or the equivalent from DEI you will get the "dedicated" or lock specific relay + the wiring looms with the kit. By dedicated I mean it's a double relay with a built in timer, by virtue of the fact that when a master, i.e. 5 wire motor is in either the lock or unlock position, a built in microswitch means that either the lock or unlock trigger wire is constant to ground and engaging the relay's coil. This will give you a flat battery very quickly, thus the built in shutdown timer on the dedicated relay.

howie ll wrote:

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If you buy either the MES or Spal kit or the equivalent from DEI you will get the "dedicated" or lock specific relay + the wiring looms with the kit. By dedicated I mean it's a double relay with a built in timer, by virtue of the fact that when a master, i.e. 5 wire motor is in either the lock or unlock position, a built in microswitch means that either the lock or unlock trigger wire is constant to ground and engaging the relay's coil. This will give you a flat battery very quickly, thus the built in shutdown timer on the dedicated relay.

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ok i understand what it means that and thanks for the explanations ... now i had enough time to think this weekend ... it seems to much to have the key control the lock and unlock of the car when i will install an alarm that does that.

and on top of that i will have in the windshield that z-pass touch pad that would unlock or lock the car without the remote, so i guess i will give up this idea with the key.

tedmond wrote:

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i can send you a diagram from fortin or omega, and that will ahve everything you need.

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Tedmond, please send me the diagrams for the fortin honda sl3 if you have it ... that's what i need to buy but i want to make an idea of what i'm going to work on. thank you

Honda SL3 install guide

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This information is provided only as a reference.
All circuits should be verified with a digital multi-meter prior to making any connections.

91stt thank you

keep in mind the Compustar has knock to unlock/disarm and knock to lock/arm with its new CM-6000. FYI the RPS's are black now.

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"dont ground out!"

the old rps has 10 knocks, the new onehas 5.

hows the install going?

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

tedmond wrote:

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the old rps has 10 knocks, the new onehas 5.

hows the install going?

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Correction: CM-4000 & CM-4200DX is ten knocks

Any brain higher than that is now 5 knocks with the newest firmware update.

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"dont ground out!"

oh darn, i gotta update my brain then lol.

whos willing to sell me the ads cable ?

they should shorten it to 3 instead.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

3-5 knocks will page the user

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"dont ground out!"

omg the ads cable in ridiculously priced in canada. i used to have a y-adapter cable for the op500 but i rarely used it so i sold it. now i want to update my brain to the new firmware.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Do you have any compustar 4pin to 4pin antenna wire?

If so just switch one end (yellow and white) with a pick tool and you'll be able to update the brain.

If you do not have an LED Valet switch you can just tie pins 1 and 3 on the LED Valet Input

=)

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"dont ground out!"

i got antenna cables, the led valet, but i still dont have any usb ads adapters, so im out of luck.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Do you have an OP500? Theres a USB updater that comes with it. If you dont have that, your sol.

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"dont ground out!"

no, as i mentioned i got rid of it... what a bad idea lol

sigh, the things you never use, you sell, then when you need it, its no where to be found. darn it.

time to go to ebay and look around

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

found this ...
https://www.electronicsbonanza.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=12841&sku=10591&src=y