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viper 5901 in 2005 f150 lariat keyless

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: viper 5901 in 2005 f150 lariat keyless

Posted By: davewvu86
Subject: viper 5901 in 2005 f150 lariat keyless
Date Posted: June 11, 2010 at 12:37 PM

I'm gathering the parts to install a Viper 5901 in my 2005 F150 Lariat. It has keyless entry. My Dad, a mechanic who specializes in electrical work will be doing most of the install. My job is to order parts, etc.

So far I have three questions:

1.) Which bypass unit should I buy?

2.) Do I need an extra key to use the remote start feature?

3.) Is there anything else I should buy prior to the install?

I have downloaded the install manual and wiring diagrams from the site.

Thanks!



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Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: June 11, 2010 at 1:39 PM

1.) Which bypass unit should I buy?

anything from fortin or idatalink for bypass, or you can buy a data module to control locks, etc through data (easier for first time installers)

2.) Do I need an extra key to use the remote start feature?

No if you use a self learning bypass.

3.) Is there anything else I should buy prior to the install?

get some diodes, resistors and relays (standard 30 amp relays) incase you need them for door locks.



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2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
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Posted By: davewvu86
Date Posted: June 11, 2010 at 1:56 PM
Thanks so much for the quick reply.

I've looked at:=64">https://store.idatalink.com/index.php?l=search_by_vehicle&s[vid">=64

and

https://ifar.ca/en/vehicles/ford/f-series/2005/

The Fortin models have notes about self learning but look like they don't work for door locks. They also have a note about programming with 2 keys. I only have one. So, I looked the iDatalink offerings. They're just as confusing.

Do you mind taking a look at the above links (they go straight to the 2005 F150 products) and telling me which the best one is? We're looking for a straight forward, easy install. I'd just like it to lock/unlock the doors, work as remote start, and function as an alarm. I'm not worried about any extra convenience features.




Posted By: davewvu86
Date Posted: June 11, 2010 at 2:31 PM
One more question -- is it possible to the delay the alarm for 30-45 seconds?

I'm also installing a motion activated DVR and pinhole camera in the interior. I'd like the alarm to be delayed to allow someone to get in the truck and get their picture taken before the alarm goes off.




Posted By: topinstaller200
Date Posted: June 11, 2010 at 3:06 PM

All you need is the Viper 5901 only 1 relay only if you want domelight supervision actually you dont even need a relay you can just hook up domelight sup(-) from alarm to one of the individual door trigger wires(same thing)

all modules for this truck require 2 keys for programming some older modules require you donate a key and install it in a module hidden underneath the dash. Either way you need two keys.

Since you dont have 2 keys or you are not willing to fork over $120+ for a new key then just permanantly bypass the PATS system.

1)remove upper and lower shroud around steering column

2) remove screw holding transponder ring in position

3)insert key into ignition and turn forward to RUN position

4) Take a pick and push on ballbearing while pulling on ignition

     key and igniton should easily slide out

5) carefully remove transponder ring from ignition housing

6) reinsert ignition and key and turn ignition off

7) carefully remove wiring from steering column so that transponder ring can be secured under dash

8)  remove transponder from key( there are 2 types of keys- 1 has a window on the top of the key in which you carefully slice square window off the top of key the pull chip out with small pick-be careful this chip is glass. Type 2 --no window use sharp razor knife and slice rubber off key half way exposing small black rectangle chip and carefully remove

9) affix chip with 2 way tape to transponder ring and start car

10) super glue rubber head on your key back together

11) black tape - really good chip in place so cant move or fall out if 2 way tape fails couple of zip ties for added measure

12) double and triple check truck starts and stays running

13) presto -- you bypassed PATS

14) No harm done- is completely reversible- saves you money

15) now you can get extra keys for $5 dollars each

16) Just make sure you hook up the starter kill feature from the alarm





Posted By: topinstaller200
Date Posted: June 11, 2010 at 3:15 PM

ok, as far as DVR and camera- most likely a waste of your time and money

Whole idea of alarm is preventing unauthorized access into your vehicle.

The only reason to do is for bragging rights and you cant brag to anyone you know or defeats the purpose





Posted By: topinstaller200
Date Posted: June 11, 2010 at 3:17 PM

there is no delay. some other alarms allow for a silent feature but not yours

these are more common on motorcycle alarms





Posted By: davewvu86
Date Posted: June 11, 2010 at 3:46 PM
This forum is awesome. Thank you for being so responsive and offering all the advice.

I appreciate the insight on the camera. When my truck was broken into they stole my Eclipse in-dash nav but not the sub and amp. I'm figuring they saw the RCAs for the amp and are likely to try to hit the truck again, hence why I've been considering the camera system. I thought I read on another forum that the alarm could be delayed. I just skimmed the install manual again and based on your advice, I'll skip the camera system.

I had no idea you could just take the chip out of a key to bypass PATS but that makes sense. I've been meaning to get another key but just haven't gotten around to it. I'll make a point to do it next week. I should have a second key anyways, in case I lose my keys. Knock on wood...

With that in mind, which bypass module would you suggest?




Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: June 11, 2010 at 7:17 PM

One thing with that advice given to you by topinstaller is that it permamnently bypasses perfectly good factory security, for no good reason, simpy because and aftermarket piece could never offer that level of security, NEVER! So my advice dave, keeping in mind you want security, leave the PATS in tact get a second keys and use a data bypass and you're still gonna be safe and convenient!

Think about this, you only lost stuff that was in the vehicle, following the above advice could result in you losing the vehicle as well! Which would you prefer?

Just my two cents! posted_image, To topinstaller, that info you posted is against fourum rules



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Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: June 11, 2010 at 7:20 PM

Read this



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COMMIT YOUR WAY TO JEHOVAH AND HE WILL ACT IN YOUR BEHALF. PSALMS 37:5




Posted By: mikvot
Date Posted: June 11, 2010 at 10:04 PM

I don't see anywhere where he says he doesn't have 2 keys. If he has two valid keys, almost all modern modules do not require losing a key. 2 keys are required to program the module though, and even then....I swear I saw something on this very forum that the Idatalink stuff could actually be programmed with 1 key, with some correspondence with Idatalink. ABSOLUTELY do not do what topinstaller says.





Posted By: catback
Date Posted: June 11, 2010 at 11:39 PM
mikvot wrote:

I don't see anywhere where he says he doesn't have 2 keys. If he has two valid keys, almost all modern modules do not require losing a key. 2 keys are required to program the module though, and even then....I swear I saw something on this very forum that the Idatalink stuff could actually be programmed with 1 key, with some correspondence with Idatalink. ABSOLUTELY do not do what topinstaller says.




His 2nd post said he only has the one key, third post in the thread.




Posted By: mikvot
Date Posted: June 12, 2010 at 6:51 PM

Thanks catback....not sure how I missed that.





Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: June 12, 2010 at 7:26 PM
 Mr Dave re- read the last sentence of mikvot's post and do exactly what it says!

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COMMIT YOUR WAY TO JEHOVAH AND HE WILL ACT IN YOUR BEHALF. PSALMS 37:5




Posted By: mikvot
Date Posted: June 12, 2010 at 8:06 PM

I understand wanting to do what is gonna cost the least amount of money up front, and I have no problem with that. It's his truck....not mine. As you already mentioned, t&t the PATS system is a hell of alot harder to bypass during a break in, than a aftermarket starter kill. Why disable this extra security? I can tell you, that if I had a customer in his situation come in to the shop....I would turn down the job. Nice truck, Nice system.. spend the money for the extra key. Just my opinion.





Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: June 13, 2010 at 7:03 AM
With you all the way Mr mikvot!

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COMMIT YOUR WAY TO JEHOVAH AND HE WILL ACT IN YOUR BEHALF. PSALMS 37:5




Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: June 13, 2010 at 12:05 PM

+1 do not bypass the pats permanantly. and Mikvot, you are correct. Idatalink andFortin both have special firmwares for one key programming.

you load a firmware on, program with one key, reupload the firmware off th emodule onto the idatalink website, a tech will email you back a firmware and presto, you have a module that has a new firmware with 2 keys programmed,  when you only infact had one.



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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert




Posted By: davewvu86
Date Posted: June 13, 2010 at 10:03 PM
I'm definitely not going to bypass PATS. The shop that is repairing the damage from the break-in is going to take my truck to the dealer and have a 2nd key made for me tomorrow.

So, that leaves just one more question for you guys -- which bypass module is the easiest to install and program? What do you suggest?




Posted By: mikvot
Date Posted: June 13, 2010 at 10:34 PM

The idatalink ads-tb will work like a champ. I've also used a ton of Fortin key-overide-all's with no problems.





Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: June 14, 2010 at 6:38 AM

idatalink and fortin pieces are soolid. so easy to program and install is a breeze.

the only downside is tif you dont have adata cable for the idatalink syfff, somtimes you wont have the correct firmware. Fortin pieces have a list of units taht will work without needed to be flashed. its almost a universal bypass (EVO-ALL)



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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: June 14, 2010 at 6:50 AM

I have used the DEI 1100F bypass on Ford F150's with great success.  It is basically a re-badged iDatalink product.  The correct firmware is already on it.  There might still be some available on the "Buy & Sell" forum for $15.

Not sure if dealers do it, but make sure the new key is not a "cloned" key.  You need two unique, working keys to program the bypass module.



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