remote start inop on 2010 honda insight

Hello fellow 12volt comrades,

I seem to be encountering what I believe a by-pass module (PKALL) problem as the remote start function will not operate. I can however insert the key and place it to the ON position, then initiate the remote start function. It then will start but then dies after a couple seconds. This process will repeat 3 times and then the cycle will give a "Remote Start Error" on the 2way remote with no following error flashes from the parking lights.

I believe that my heavy gauge connections are set properly as it works with the key. I double checked the programming of the PKALL module, and it says that it's already programmed and then finishes with the 10 flash confirmation upon starting the car with the key.

I did try to program the virtual tach initially a few days ago, but I couldn't seem to get a successful LED confirmation. I also just tried to redo all steps again, but the LED does not illuminate as described in the installation manual; I assume it is already working? (Steps: start car, within 5 seconds, press and hold for 3 seconds and LED will light constant). No bueno folks..... :( 

Any help is greatly appreciated! Any additional info needed specific to my 2010 Honda Insight (i.e., specific wiring connections, parts, etc.), please do let me know and I'll promptly reply. Thank you very kindly for taking the time to read this post.

Nate

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Nate Dizzle

just place the key into the ignition barrel, but dont turn it to acc or ign. If it remote starts, it a bypass issue.

if you need to turn it to ignition with the key and then it will remote start, that means you are not powering up an ignition wire.

hope this helps.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Would you or anyone else who is reviewing this thread happen to know exactly which wires from the alarm go to Honda's wires? I guess I need to know which wires from the alarm are going to be hot (12 volt constant). I know that there must have been a misprint for the 5901's wire H3/6 (Red) needed to go to a constant hot wire (Honda - White @ steering column harness) when in fact it read to connect it to "(+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT." If this were the case which I did initially, the remote start wouldn't receive 12 volts unless the key was on!

Thanks again folks

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Nate Dizzle

UPDATE - This is my only issue now, all previous issues have been resolved

Hello All,

Thanks for replying to my post earlier (tedmond)! That helped me for the most part. Now it starts by itself and runs for 2-3 seconds, then dies. The cycle attempts 3 times before it throws an error. I checked the shutdown diagnostics and I get an error code pattern I'm not sure how to interpret! It is 9,4,9,9,4,4,6,9,9,4...

So I looked at my connections once again, and it now have the alarm's RED, RED / WHITE, RED / BLACK tapped into the (constant) HONDA WHITE wire. The alarm PINK is connected to (ignition) HONDA YELLOW, and lastly, the alarm ORANGE is connected to the (accessory) HONDA ORANGE wire. Is there something I'm missing here that would make the alarm disconnect the ignition and/or accessory wires once the car has started?

Thanks,

Nate

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Nate Dizzle

Sounds like a tach learn issue. Are you sure the module is configured for virtual tach?

I assume it is okay as I tried to program it but the LED doesn't flash at all when I attempt to learn it. I also tried the voltage mode but this was probably before I had the proper wiring connections. I will certainly try all modes again and even attempt to turn it off and set the crank time a little higher. Would you say there is something wrong with the alarm or is it wiring if i cannot successfully program V tach? Thanks for your susgestion!

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Nate Dizzle

unfortunatly i dont deal with DEI alarms much. I have never ever seen diagnostic codes like that.

If the vehicle fails to start, after the failed rs, check to see how many times the parking lights flash. Use that number and pull up shutdown diagnostics in the manual, it will narrow it down as to why it will not start.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Shutdown diagnostics
To perform shutdown diagnostics:
1. With the ignition OFF, press and hold the Valet/Program switch.
2. Turn the ignition ON and then back OFF while holding the Valet/Program
switch.
3. Release the Valet/Program switch.
4. Press and release the Valet/Program switch. The LED flashes to report
the last shutdown for one minute or until the ignition is turned on, as
shown in the following table:
LED Flashes Shutdown Mode
1 flash Runtime expired
2 flashes Over-rev shutdown
3 flashes Low or no RPM
4 flashes Transmitter shutdown (or optional push button)
5 flashes (+) Brake shutdown
6 flashes (-) Hood shutdown
7 flashes Timer mode/Turbo mode/Manual mode error *
8 flashes Neutral safety shutdown
9 flashes Low battery (voltage mode)
10 flashes Alarm triggered **
11 flashes Wait-to-start input timed out

* Timer mode error: Ignition is on or shutdown input is active when activating
timer mode.
Turbo mode error: Turbo mode is programmed off, engine is not on or
shutdown input is active.
Manual mode error: MTS mode not enabled.
** Alarm was triggered during remote start sequence.
Remote starting diagnostics
When the remote start function is activated and the 2-way remote emits an error
tone; you have the ability to see what the cause of the no-start situation is by
counting the amount of flashes of the parking lights from the vehicle.
5 flashes Brake wire is active
6 flashes Hoodpin wire is active
7 flashes Manual transmission mode is enabled and not
initialized.
8 flashes Neutral safety wire has no ground or the neutral safety
switch is Off.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Yeah, the parking lights do not flash after a failed attempt. Is there a way to reset the alarm to factory settings? I'm starting to thing the alarm is malfuncting...

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Nate Dizzle

Solved!

Turns out I needed to switch from Vtach to Voltage sensing. Thanks for all the efforts by you guys! Long story short, it helps having better documentation and install instructions--DEI! 6 remote start installs under my belt and this was the most difficult....



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Nate Dizzle

mally8033 wrote:

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Solved!

Turns out I needed to switch from Vtach to Voltage sensing. Thanks for all the efforts by you guys! Long story short, it helps having better documentation and install instructions--DEI! 6 remote start installs under my belt and this was the most difficult....

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Had the same problem with my sequoia 06 and the switch to Voltage Sensing solved my problem as well.