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2004 bmw x3 lock/ unlock

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Topic: 2004 bmw x3 lock/ unlock

Posted By: rksterling
Subject: 2004 bmw x3 lock/ unlock
Date Posted: September 06, 2010 at 6:22 PM

2004 bmw lock / unlock wires

I tried to do a remote start on a BMW X3 several months ago and was unsuccessful at getting the locks to work. I am having the same problem on this BMW.

i have blue/red for lock and WHITE/ black for unlock. I have found these wires in the loom coming from the door. I tried pulsing both of them with a ground and no response. Is it possible to test for the wires before connecting it to the remote starter or is it a special length of neg pulse required for lock and unlock

Frustrated with BMW,

Rick




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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: September 06, 2010 at 7:11 PM
     Power Unlock          BROWN / YELLOW          (-)          MODULE BEHIND GLOVEBOX black 54 way connector at cdl
     PowerLock          WHITE/ BLACK          (-)          MODULE BEHIND GLOVEBOX black 54 way connector at cdl

This is the information that I have for the X3. There is also an alternative wire colors but same location:

UNLOCK - blue/red
LOCK - yellow/red

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 07, 2010 at 2:24 AM
Never had any problems with those colours at the location the first post mentioned, that's on E46 left and right hand drive and and X3's.
Except you might find it's WHITE/ black for lock and blue/red for unlock.
You can test easily enough by throwing the lock over on the door then grounding each in turn. Extended lock pulse will close roof (if there) and windows.

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Posted By: rksterling
Date Posted: September 07, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Is the door close sensor in the latch or at the hinge side?  There is a lever that goes into the door between top and bottom hinges.  I can't see what it is doing inside door without pulling apart door.  I flipped the latch closed on the door but the wires do not pulse locks when grounded and that is what got me looking at the lever on the hinge side of the door.  It will be difficult to test from the inside with the doors closed.





Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 07, 2010 at 4:14 PM
Built into a microswitch (from RS components about £4=$6, from BMW about £22=$33) attached to the lock rod, on the motor which is built onto the lock mech, wire colour is brown primary, should be the only one in the door entry loom in the kick well. Dome lights come on as soon as the vehicle is unlocked, i.e. before the door is opened, hence no need for dome supervision. Extending the lock pulse will close windows and roof if there.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 07, 2010 at 4:20 PM
Does this lock on the factory remote or the key in door?
Also remember a remote start on this vehicle needs a 556U by-pass and you MUST use the grey VALET key.
Did you also notice that you had the lock/unlock wires the wrong way round?
Correction, on my first post when I said "throw the lock" I obviously meant throw the LATCH.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: rksterling
Date Posted: September 07, 2010 at 10:42 PM

If I understand your question correctly...... There is a locking button on the factory key and it is no where near the car when testing the locks.

Yes I have used the grey vallet key with the bypass, and I will get the car back tomorrow to have another go at it.  I did note the lock/unlock wires were the wrong way round.  If I can't get the lock/unlock to work by grounding them I won't bother connecting them to the remote starter and may have to pass it on to someone else.  The frustrating part is that the remote start is easy but the locks are giving me grief.





Posted By: rksterling
Date Posted: September 08, 2010 at 11:23 PM
First I tripped the door latch and waited for the courtesy light to go out before any testing.

I checked all the wires coming from the drivers door and first found one wire that is always hot. It is red (not sure if there is a stripe on it). All other wires were tested to a ground and had no response with locks. The brown wire with yellow dots turns on the courtesy lights when grounded but does not activate the locks in any way.

I was thinking of taking the door panel off to see what wires are going to the latches. I took off 4 screws from the the top off the panel and there seems to be a lot more holding it on and an air bag that I don't want to screw up.

Any other suggestions?




Posted By: rksterling
Date Posted: September 10, 2010 at 12:24 AM
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Posted By: rksterling
Date Posted: September 10, 2010 at 12:30 AM

Am I reading this schematic correctly???

Is there more than one wire that has to be tripped at the same time to activate the locks?

I will include a close up of the lock area.

Rick





Posted By: rksterling
Date Posted: September 10, 2010 at 12:35 AM
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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 10, 2010 at 1:24 AM
The diagramme is essentially the same except where it says BROWN / yellow going to blue/red, our (R/Hand/Drive) version doesn't have the BROWN / yellow.
From the left on the driver's door you have the first three as motor and deadlock wires,
BROWN / yellow/blue red for unlock trigger,
WHITE/ black for lock trigger
and BROWN / grey with yellow dots as dome light trigger.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: rksterling
Date Posted: September 11, 2010 at 12:23 AM

Spent several hours testing and found that the BROWN / grey with yellow dots works as dome light trigger when grounded. 

The Blue/Red #22 wire & WHITE/ Black #20 wire do not trigger locks at all when each grounded seperately.  When  these two wires were disconnected from the BCM the remote still activates the locks and unlocks them as well.

I disconnected the three wires shown in the diagram attached to the motors one by one.  The blue wire #51 when removed from BCM resulted  in no response on  1st unlock pulse from remote, but unlocked all passenger doors on 2nd pulse. Locked all passenger doors when remote pushed once as normal

With White #13 disconnected the results were the same as with blue wire #51 disconnected.  Upon reconnecting this wire all windows closed

Disconnecting Black wire #32 had no effect on locks the opreated as normal and on reconnection the 1st time windows closed.  They didn't close when retried.

Looking at the Fortin site they recommed using two relays in which each hits both the unlock wire and lock wire at almost the same time.  Tried it with the diodes recommended and it didn't work..  I read some where that Fortin is not correct.

Even more frustrated, but not willing to quit yet!!!!!!





Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 11, 2010 at 1:04 AM
All this amazes me, I've never had any problems with these, I'm going out to do one shortly.
N.B. That Fortin diagramme refers to the E36, hold it for more than 3 seconds to get deadlock.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: rksterling
Date Posted: September 11, 2010 at 10:00 AM

I am convinced they changed something up on these north american x3's.  I have held each of these wires for more than 3 seconds.  And I also found that the trunk release works by grounding the grey / YELLOW pin #44.

I am going to try looking at all the wires shown on the diagram for the passenger door.  Different pin #'s but same colors.  The colors on this vehicle are using the alternate colors shown in brackets.  They have done some other alternate stuff by the looks of it.

If the oem remote works there has to be a way to do it with the wiringposted_image





Posted By: rksterling
Date Posted: September 11, 2010 at 11:13 AM

If both the blue/red and the WHITE/ black wires are shown in the above diagram as going to ground through a brown wire, would it require a hot to trigger the switch leg shown?

I know that doesn't make sense when I ground out the BROWN / grey / YELLOW the courtesy lights come on as you mentioned they should, but again the other two wires do nothing.  If I disconnect them from the BCM can I try a fused positive voltage through those lines of do i go into a door and try to sort it out there?





Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 11, 2010 at 2:08 PM
Sorry about this but I did another today, E46 Cab and everything was fine. No; if you look at the diagramme, the lock/unlock triggers go to ground, all you would do with a hot feed is blow the fuse! Holding ground to the door light trigger will probably stop the locks from working.
Use the + RED / blue at the puddle lamps for your all door trigger.
You will probably need a dome light delay setting.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: rksterling
Date Posted: September 11, 2010 at 10:34 PM

Talked to a shop that installs a different brand and they had no information on the 04 but on the DEI site they found that the 07 BMW X3 states that with Canadian Cars the locks are not possible as there is a module inside the door that controls the locks.  I wonder if this applies to the 04 as well???

When you say puddle lamps are you talking about fog light switch which is located with the headlamp switch?  This is feed with a ribbon cable.





Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 12, 2010 at 2:00 AM
The changeover for the electrics was 05.
good guess but puddle lamps are the lower dome lights illuminating the foot wells.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.





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