2010 subaru wrx viper 5901

Alright... I have done some heavy duty searching, however, I can't seem to find too much information on hooking up my 2010 WRX with the Viper 5901. Also, if I have placed this in the wrong section I do apologize.

To give you background, I am not a professional installer, but I do have electronics experience, I'm pretty handy with a soldering iron, and I am looking to learn. I have also used a multimeter for all testing of the wires.

Everything is hooked up, the only thing not working is the remote start. When I press the button to start it, I immediately get "Remote Start Error" and 7 flashes from the parking brakes. The alarm works as expected, but to test the remote start only, I have disconnected all the modules I purchased (Glass Break, tilt sensor, etc.) Also, I am using the 556u with the included ring for the transponder (had to lose the valet key... so be it, havent filed it down yet, but will when this is complete).

Info on the Car: 2010 Subaru WRX (not STi) Manual Transmission (Please no posts about not installing a remote start to a MT, I have heard it all, and seeing that the 5901 comes with a failsafe and defaults to manual, I think I'm good).

Here is the wiring I found from # with what I hooked up from the 5901 (The one and only place I could find an actual 2010 wrx wiring guide, not sure if the 2009 that is on 12volt is the same as the 2010 - doesnt look like it though):

NC = Not Connected

Vehicle Battery Positive Wire (+): White -------- H3 Red, H3 RED / Blk, H1 red
Vehicle Battery Positive Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness

Vehicle Ignition Wire (+): Green ---------H3 Pink
Vehicle Ignition Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness

Vehicle Second Ignition Wire (+): N/A
Vehicle Second Ignition Wire Location: N/A

Vehicle Accessory Wire (+): Yellow -------- H3 Orange
Vehicle Accessory Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness

Vehicle Second Accessory Wire (+): Blue ------- NC
Vehicle Second Accessory Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness

Automobile Engine Starter Wire (+): WHITE/ Black ---- Cut this, H3 Violet is on the car side, H3 Green is on the key side
Automobile Engine Starter Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness

Automobile Second Engine Starter Wire (-): WHITE/ Red ---- NC
Automobile Second Engine Starter Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness

Factory Anti-Theft System: Universal Vehicle Immobilizer
Factory Anti-Theft System Type: Key Sends a RF Signal to the BCM Module

Crankshaft Sensor Wire: N/A
Crankshaft Sensor Wire Location: N/A

Camshaft Sensor Wire: N/A
Camshaft Sensor Wire Location: N/A

Car Key Sense Wire (-): BLACK/ White ---- NC
Car Key Sense Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness

Car Neutral Safety Wire (+): N/A
Car Neutral Safety Wire Location: N/A

Car Tachometer Wire (-): Gray/Red ------ Violet off of the 5-pin
Car Tachometer Wire Location: In Harness to Gauges

Car Speed Sense Wire: Pink/Green ----- NC
Car Speed Sense Wire Location: In Harness to Gauges

Car Parking Lights Wire (-): BLACK/ White ----- H1 White
Car Parking Lights Wire Location: In Harness in Driver Kick Panel

Car Brake Lights Wire (+): RED / White ----- Brown off of the 5-pin
Car Brake Lights Wire Location: At Switch Above Brake Pedal

Car Reverse Lights Wire (+): BROWN / Yellow ------ NC
Car Reverse Lights Wire Location: In Harness in Passenger Kick Panel to Rear

Car Horn Wire (-): Red ----- NC
Car Horn Wire Location: At Body Integrated Unit Under Driver Side Dash

I also have the neutral safety wire off of the 5-pin hooked up to the parking brake. I can also confirm that the door switch is hooked up and working properly as I have gone through the programming successfully (via the valet switch, haven't bought a bitwriter yet). I tried all options of the tach as I don't think that you can use "Virtual Tach" on a manual.

Other things that I tried:
I tried starting it with the key in the ignition, key on position. I grounded out the clutch (temporarily) and confirmed it could be key started without it.

I am thinking that I need a relay between attached to the starter 2 wire from the car, but I'm not sure.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Have you enabled manual transmission mode remote start?  Meaning, press the foot brake then the e-brake, leave off of foot brake, hit remote start, take out key, open door, close door, then press lock which should shut it down. 

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I have... During the process when I press the remote start it gives me the "remote start error" message. I just talked to a friend of mine that is an installer, he just told me to wire the two starter wires together, I'm going to try that and see what happens.

Two things. 

One, you have the Second Stater wire listed as (-).  Probably just a typo, it should be (+). 

Second, the Second Starter should be connected to the 5901, independantly of Starter 1.  Use a 30/40A SPDT relay.  Wire as follows:

Relay Pin 87 and Pin 86 to 20 A fused constant +12 volt source.

Relay Pin 30 to  WRX Starter 2.

Relay Pin 85 to Viper Remote Start Aux Output, 5 Pin connector, Violet wire marked (-) 200mA Starter Output.

Relay Pin 87a is not used and should be taped off.

Did the car "Tach Learn" properly?

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Update::: I soldered the two starters together, double checked my wiring with a DMM, and also wired RS status (-) to the clutch wire.. no luck:::

I appreciate everyone's help with this, I am learning here and I thank you all for your patience.

:::Kreg:::
I think you're right about the typo, did a copy/paste.

Anyhow, I will try the relay out, what I was confused about was the 87a pin and what went to it, but you cleared that up for me...

The car does learn the Tach properly no matter which setting I have it on, and I reprogrammed it from Virtual Tach to Voltage currently (Tested it as Tachometer too, but same results). The manual says that you cant use Virtual Tach with Manual Trans so I figured voltage would be my best bet?

Here is a link to Bulldog Security for the wire guide:  https://www.bulldogsecurity.com/bdnew/vehiclewiringdiagrams.asp

Here is a link to AudioVox for another wire guide:  https://techservices.audiovox.com/Login.aspx   Sign-up is free.

Both list your car as having 2 Starter wires and 2 Accessory wires.  As always you want to verify this with a Digital Multi Meter.  The Vipers Flex relay can be set to handle either one.  An extra relay can be used to power the other circuit, like the Starter 2 described previously.

There are 3 wires on H3 that need +12v constant.  Red, RED / Black and RED / White. 

Virtual Tach and Voltage mode cannot be used in MTS manual transmission mode.  Connect to a good tach source and do the Tach Learn process.

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Thanks for the diagrams.

Ok... so as not to make any mistakes, I should reprogram the Viper to tach mode, then learn tach.

Wiring: I should make sure that the H3 Red, RED / Blk, and RED / wht all get +12v constant.
Now... I already cut the starter 2 wire, and assuming here... I should reconnect that, hook up the relay previously described. Then use H3 pink/wht (flex relay output) to connect to the accessory 2 wire.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't some of these also have a transmission neutral sense terminal on the engine management. connect the BLACK/ white (?) from the 5901 and it doesn't matter if you set manual or auto.
Have you tested your 556U by trying to hot wire start? Make sure regular key is removed, ground the status output from the 5901 (aka GWR) is connected to the 556U AND grounded, remove your regular key from the ignition and go, this will confirm you have the it wired correctly as well as the 556U. I think you've missed something out.
Surely if tach is incorrect, it will run for about 15 secs. then cut out.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Just looked at your wiring list, as Kreg noted correctly (as usual) you've cooked up starter 1 and 2. Green to key side and violet to starter side of the white black only. Assuming this is starter one.
Use a relay as Kreg stated to feed the WHITE/ red.
Rejoin the original starter wires then open ONE AT A Time only one should prevent the starter turning over. This is starter 1.
Incidentally BLACK/ white on the Viper should be grounded to affect a R/start, you listed it as N/C.
Above are some of the reasons this job should be left to the pros.
Also as Kreg said have you learned tach?
N.B. I also found that wiring the relay as Kreg suggested can cause the alarm to trigger on some European (nasty late Peugeots), I would wire the relay thus. Cut second starter, then key side to 87a, other connections as above.


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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

PM me with your email address and I'll send you the 2010 instructions.
NB DEI recommend the DLPK unit.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

According to Directechs, ONE ignition, 2 starters, BLACK/ white as I guessed is starter 1 and TWO ACCs

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Unless I'm typed it out wrong, I listed the BLACK/ white on the car (keysense) as N/C. I do have the BLACK/ white neutral safety grounded to the parking brake, or do you mean a different wire on the Viper.

I'm pretty sure that I tested what you stated, disconnect one starter at a time, and cutting the WHITE/ Black on the car disabled the starter. I'll double check that though to confirm.

Yes... the Tach was learned (start the car, hold the valet switch until it goes solid, etc. - When I first started this didnt work as I had the wrong tach wire, once I fixed that it learned it).

As a side note, I'm sure the professionals had to start somewhere, and it's not like I'm a 16yr old kid thinking he's going to save a few bucks. I'm honestly am just trying to learn how all of this works because I am interested in it, and if I have to, I will bring it to a pro to "clean it up." If I mess something up, I take full responsibility. Thanks again for all of your knowledge.

Just saw your recent post, I can still get the DLPK, I do want to do it right - Is there a good place to get it, or is Amazon an ok source?

Not sure since I'm about 3500 miles away, I would try a local DEI dealer, it may have to be flash loaded, I haven't looked into it.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Gotcha... Ok, I have an appt setup for tomorrow with a local professional installer. I'm going to try a few of the steps that you have all provided me after I get out of work tonight, but at least he will walk me through what I did wrong if I am still unsuccessful. I will post the results.

Alright! Got it! Thank you for your assistance on this.

 I don't want to admit what the real problem turned out to be as I feel like a complete idiot. After I hooked up the relay as described I still couldn't get it to turn over at all. Went though the wiring again and I mixed the BLACK/ White Neutral Safety with the Domelight one. As soon as I corrected that problem it worked perfectly! All I had to do was hook up the relay for the clutch, and in the 2010 WRX there are two switches (assuming one is used for the cruise control), and I had to of course get to the one all the way at the top which is the hardest to get.

Once again, thank you all for your help.

Bob

Congatulations!  The Viper 5901 is one of the more complex units.  With all you learned, the next one will be easier. 

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For anyone that is looking for it (as I was), I will post a complete wiring diagram (with relays, diodes, etc.) after I finish up the rest tonight.