1999 silverado viper 5701 remote start

Hey Guys,

I did a self install of a Viper LE 5701 on a 1999 Chevy Silverado (Automatic Transmission) and it went well. Alarm ARMS and DISARMS. Doors LOCK and UNLOCK. All TRIGGERS work including the HOOD TRIGGER. Lights Flash properly.

The remote start is not working. I think it is the Neutral Safety Switch (on/off Toggle Switch). Where does this go? It was in the package but installation instructions are unclear where to connect it (diagram shows one wire to a lead on the module).

Right now, when I activate the REMOTE START the system "clicks" and the parking lights blink as if it is signaling to start but the STARTER does not engage. The Toggle Switch is NOT connected to my system at this time (cause I don't know where it goes)...is this the problem with remote starting?

My truck will start with the key.

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Oh! I forgot, I couldn't get the remote to accept the tach signal. I'm sure this is a problem too! I tapped into the tach signal at the dash board tachometer. I used a multi-meter to identify the right wire (beige w/white stripe).

thanks guys...

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Did u use a bypass. Does it have a key flashing on the dash when u remote start it. Does the car start then shut down or does it not crank at all. Also for the neutral safety switch if u want to use the switch one side goes to black and white of the remote start the other goes to ground but if u ground the black and white wire then u dont need the switch but u should use the switch

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toggle switch MUST be plugged in and set to on....

what brand/model of bypass module did you use?

did you program it for automatic tranny?

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Kevin Gerry
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since 1979

Thanks guys for chiming in...

I didn't use a bypass...it didn't come with the kit I got. No key flashing (not even the external Valet switch). The BLACK/ white wire is grounded. RS does NOT start at all...it just clicks as if it wants to start but the starter didn't engage.

Didn't know about a separate bypass module. Is it possible it's internal? I was insured by warranty everything was included to completely operate this alarm/RS system.

I will install the toggle switch. Does both leads go to the module (between the RS IN and the Tach Threshold) or one there and one to ground?

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The toggle switch should have a black plug at the end of the wires. Yes, it plugs into the brain between the R/S in plug and the Tach Threshold jumper.  There is a install guide in the downloads section of this site for the Viper 5701.  If you didn't install a bypass you will need one.

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no the bypass is separate. You can use the bypass DLPKGM. Since the car needs to see a chip to start it will not engage.There are a few other bypasses u can use just go to xpresskit.com and it will show u what bypasses u can use.

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@ Smokeman1: Thanks. The toggle switch did NOT have the black plug at the end (just bare wires) so that confused me. I got the install guide from THIS site and used it. Somehow I missed the part about the bypass. it doesn't show it on the last page (diagram). I'll go read it again.


@ pitoaudiovisual: Ah! So the control module is NOT self-sufficient. The instructions I downloaded mentioned NOTHING about a BYPASS being needed. I'll go read ALL 90 pages again while I wait for the BYPASS to come in the mail...

That's why YOU guys are the PRO's...thanks for ALL your help. You guys are AWESOME. I have much MORE respect for you after tackling this install. You are well worth your weight in GOLD!!!

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The last page won't show a bypass. Some vehicles do not require one.  My 2008 Ford E150 for example. Page 47 shows a Blue (-) 200ma status output for whatever bypass you get.  I have used the Fortin brand with great results. Just need to pay attention to what wires go were on the vehicle and remote starter.   www.ifar.ca  for their website.   You could probably go to ebay and search for a dei toggle switch to see if you can find a toggle switch with a plug at the end. Or maybe on with a push button, cut off the plug and solder it to your toggle switch.

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Thanks Smokeman1...I bought the DLPKGM last night and I pick it up today. I'll pick up a plug for the toggle switch on my lunch break today. I'm between 3 Fry's Electronics Stores here in Southern California so no problem there.

The install looks pretty simple so I'll install it this evening and post back to let you guys know how it went.

Thanks for your professional help.

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sounds like a repack... all the newer units have the plug for the valet switch... they through in a n old switch from a 130, 140, etc....   hope everything else is OK with the unit..... you want to go through all the settings to make sure they are at default..... hate to find out you have an IGN programmed as an ACC, etc....

the install guide will never tell you about a bypass module as that is completely vehicle specific... if your truck was a 97 it wouldnt need one... if a 98 it would.... they cant possibly list every possible vehicle on the road....

lastly, although it may take 60 seconds longer i would wire the DLPKGM W2W... i haven't really had any luck running these units D2D....  keep in mind it will only do bypass, no convienience features....

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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
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Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979

Yes Kevin it was a repack from eBay.

So, if I wire W2W the bypass will be just for the remote start? The viper can (and is) handling all of the convenience stuff.

If that is the case then I agree with you on W2W instead of D2D. I just want the bypass to RS the vehicle. Can you confirm this?

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yep....  should work fine

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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979

Thanks Kevin...I'll let you ALL know how it goes later.

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-UPDATE-

Well guys, I didn't get to attempt the install until today. I followed the INSTRUCTIONS an the WIRING DIAGRAM (EXACTLY) as noted in installing the DLPKGM from XPRESSKIT.

The Bypass Lights up but when attempting to program it The "light" stays lit. I tried both W2W D2D connections with the same result.

Any suggestions?

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There is a warning in step 4 stating that connector 2 can easily be plugged in backwards. Is it possible that has happened?

What wires from Connector 2 do you have connected to what?  Looks like only 5 wires are used in your application. Pink, Blue/White, and Purple from connector 2, and then blue 12volt and black (ground) from the D2D connector.

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I'm checking it now Smokeman1. Its a newer DLPKGM and it looks like they added "sliders" to the connector so it can only go one way.

I connected all but the blue/white. D2D didn't require it. I'm not too sure where the blue and white should go...are they saying the blue/white goes to 12+ until engine is on then it shows -continuity?

I'm a bit confused. Also, I'm concerned about my tach wire. Can I get a true tach reading by tapping the wire at the dash board gauges?

pink - ignition side of the starter.
blue/white - ??
purple - obd2
black - ground
red - 12+ (per the instructions in the DLPKGM Box)

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From the wiring diagrams I am looking at the Blue/White should go to the  Blue RS status (-) 200mA output, of the Viper 5701, and the pink should go the the pink wire of Ignition 1 of your truck. Not the ignition side of the starter wire (yellow) 

The DLPKGM diagram I am looking at shows a Blue 12 volt (+). It might be a set of older instructions as your says it is red 12 volt(+)

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Smokemak1...thank you sooo much!I will make the adjustments. Yep...I plugged it into the yellow (starter) wire. (hope I didn't damage it).

As far as the power wires are concerned, I did check them out because it is a conflict between XPRESSKIT Instructions and Their website print out instructions. It didn't power up when I used the Blue but it did when I used the red so...

I'll let you know how it goes...

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*** UPDATE ***

Well...I couldn't get it working. I've checked the connections 3 times. Cant get RS to work. The only wire I'm not TOTALLY sure about is the TACH wire.

I'm not sure if I can get a true tach reading by tapping the wire at the dash board gauges. Every post I've read mentions tapping into it at the PCM under the hood. Didn't want to go there but if I have to I will.

Any other thoughts?

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Well, lets start by finding out what wires of the RS and DLPKGM you have connected to what wires (color) on the vehicle.    Are all the connections soldered?  Did you get the DLPKGM to program?       Does the Viper 5701 make any clicking sounds?      Any flashing parking lights?       How many flashes?    Does the truck try to start and the quits? 

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DLPKGM:
Black to Ground
Red to 12 volt(+)
Purple to Purple on OBD2
Blue/white to Viper rs aux output (blue)
Pink to pink on ignition

I tried both W2W and D2D connections.


I did not solder the remote start yet. I wanted to ensure it was working before I buttoned it up.

The Alarm works perfectly. Alarm ARMS and DISARMS. Doors LOCK and UNLOCK. All TRIGGERS work including the HOOD TRIGGER. Lights Flash properly when alarm triggers.

the viper does click and flash lights when trying to remote start but the starter never engages.

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How many flashes on the parking lights?

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Lock/Arm - Lights flash once
Unlock/disarm - Lights flash twice

When trying to rs, lights flash four times.

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It may be 5 flashes. I'll check it out.

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Smokeman,

It is 7 flashes which says: Manual transmission mode is enabled and not initialized.

How do I get it to automatic?

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Change Menu 3, Menu Item 1 to Option 2 for Automatic Transmission.

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Okay guys...It was the menu setting.

Now the truck starts with rs then dies immediately. I think it is the tach wire. I search sooo many wires but none of them gave me voltage between 1.5 to 3.5. I can't seem to locate the freakin right TACH WIRE!!!!

Or is it another problem? the jumpers are horizontal and the tact jumper is on lo.

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Did you do the Tach Learning as described on page 53?  Try setting the Viper 5701 to Virtual Tach and see if it stays running.  Menu 3,  Item 1, Option 1. 

Or first insert a key into the ignition switch, then try to remote start. If it stays running you may have a bypass issue.

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It started with the key in the ignition in the "on" position. then it attempted another start as the engine was running. Tried to get it to learn the tach signal (pg. 53) but it would not.

Could it be that I grounded the BLACK/ white wire BEFORE I used the on/off toggle switch? Since I used the toggle switch I didn't dis-connect the BLACK/ white wire from ground...I left it connected.

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Try to remote start it with the key in the ignition. Do not turn it to on, just stick it in there. If you can't find a tach wire , set the Viper to Virtual Tach.  Menu 3.

Leave the BLACK/ White grounded.

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Okay...we're getting close.

It does NOT remote start with the in the ignition.
It DOES remote start with the key in the "on" position.

Tach is in vitual mode.

Smokeman, there is a factory alarm. Could this be the problem? I spliced into the factory disarm wire but no luck. I even tried to disable the factory alarm.

I'm thinking when the key is off there is some type of immobilizer that engages and wont release unless the key is in the on position.

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That is correct, you have PassLock 2 immobilizer system.  It is not a transponder in the key type system, it is a resistive type in the ignition cylinder. 

 Double check your wiring connections between the Viper and the DLPKGM and the wire going to  Pin2 on the OBD2 connector.  Did the module get programmed properly to the truck and give the correct  LED responses?

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Some more thoughts...

Not sure if this was covered before but...

Wiring on the Viper should be:

H1/2 to Truck +12v constant

H3/1 to Truck Pink ( IGN1 ) at ignition harness - also gets connected to DLPKGM Pink wire
H3/2 to Trunk Red ( +12v constant ) at ignition harness
H3/3 to Truck Orange ( ACC1 ) at ignition harness
H3/4 to Truck cut Yellow ( Starter ) wire truck side
H3/5 to Truck cut Yellow ( Starter ) wire key side
H3/6 to Truck Red at ( +12v constant ) ignition harness
H3/7 to Truck White at ( IGN2 ) ignition harness  ( Must be connected as IGN2. )
H3/8 not used
H3/9 to Truck Red ( +12v Constant ) at ignition harness

As always, all wires should be veified with a Digital Multi Meter and all connections should be soldered.  The above assumes that the Red wire at the ignition harness is suitable for the current draw of the 3 Viper wires attached.
Also assumes that the Viper default setting for the Flex relay is left at IGN2.

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No, it didn't. The LED on the DLPKGM stays solid during the programming. At one point it did but now it just stays solid. I haven't changed any of the wires though.

This is what I got in D2D Mode from the DLPKGM:

BLACK.........D2D Port on the Viper
RED...........D2D Port on the Viper

PINK..........Ignition
BLUE/WHITE....RS
PURPLE........OBD2
VIOLET/WHITE..Tach


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Kreg,

I wired it exactly to your specifications. All wires were checked with a DMM before soldering.

Assuming that the flex relay is (by default) at ignition 2... is there specific programming I need to do?

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Nope, should come defaulted like that.  You can double check that Menu 3, Menu Item 8 is set to Option 1 ( IGN2 ).

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On the DLPKGM.
 
There is a vehicle specific install guide for your truck.  Go to the DEI ByPassKit web site,  https://www.xpresskit.com/product.aspx?productid=125 , click on "Manual Downloads", click on DLPKGM and scroll down to your Truck, 1999-2002 Silverado.  This should be the correct guide for your truck.  It does not show any Tach support for your application so disconnect that wire.

If you are running D2D, then you have the 4 pin harness intact and connected between the DLPKGM and the Viper. This wire supplies the bypass module +12v, ground and (-) Status Output ( aka Ground When Running ).

If you are running W2W, then you cut this harness and attach Blue to +12v and Black to chasis ground.  Additionally, you will have to connect the Blue/White wire to the Vipers (-) 200mA Status Output.

If you make any changes, go thru the entire programming procedure again.  It should follow the guide as far as LED flashes.

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Weirdest thing...

it just started working. The DLPKGM LED is lit constantly but the remote start is working now.

It's not per specifications say it should be but its working perfectly. What should I do now?? Solder and button everything up??

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Test it a couple of times.  Make sure the brake and hood shutdown are working properly.  Check the range on the remotes.  Solder, tape, tie wrap, etc.  Double check for clearances and interferences ( tilt steering, engine compartment ) and go ou to dinner in your new and improved Silverado.

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HIGH FIVE !!!!

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so is there actually a neutral safety wire in this truck? i've searched everywhere! help anybody?

This is from AudioVox :

Neutral Safety

BLUE/WHITE

(-)

AT DRIVER SIDE FUSEBOX

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To: kgerry, pitoaudiovisual, kgerry, smokeman1, kreg357...

Thank you guys sooo much, from my family and the bottom of my heart. You guys could have bailed out at any time yet you hung in there and helped me with my install.

You guys no nothing about me yet you were willing to sacrifice your own personal time and income to help a stranger and I DO APPRECIATE it. What faith I have in the humanity of Americans. WOW...I'm getting a bit emotional.

But, It is working perfectly. I may have to go but a new battery now cause I've played with it sooo much.

Guys, I do not have the knowledge to fully help someone else (yet) but I DEFINITELY will follow my own signature and: "PASS ON WHAT I HAVE LEARNED"...

From the Simmons Family...

Thank you all, and God Bless you.

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