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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: complete but remote not working

Posted By: criper
Subject: complete but remote not working
Date Posted: October 16, 2010 at 5:43 PM

I just finished installing a Python Responder One in a 09 Nissan Rouge.  For the bypass, i'm using a ADS-AL CA.

The install went well, and the ADS module seemed to take the programming steps as documented.

The problem is that I am getting no response from the transmitter.  When I click the button, a very feint red led blinks once.  No response from the brain.  It appears that it is not communicating with the brain.  I double checked the attenna connections, everything seems fine.  I also tried to re-sync the transmitter, but again, during the step where i'm suppose to press the transmitter, the brain doesn't seem to reconize it, and the programing is exited.

Any help is appreciated.




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Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: October 16, 2010 at 8:27 PM

Not familiar with the Python unit.  Is there only one remote transmitter FOB?  If there are two, are both doing the same thing?  If there is only one FOB, have you tried new battery(s)?



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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: October 17, 2010 at 4:46 AM
Don't you have to programme the remotes during installation?

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Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 17, 2010 at 6:54 AM

I do have two.  They both do the same thing.  I didn't actually try new batteries, but i checked their voltage.  They are fine.

The install guide says they come programmed.  But since they weren't working I have been trying to reprogram (re-sync) them.  Step 3 is press the transmitter, but their is no response and the brain doesn't seem to learn the remote.  I've tried both a quick press, and holding the button for a long period.

Here are the steps i'm attempting to program the remotes.

1. Turn ignition on

2. Press and release the program button once.  Press and hold the program button  (The unit blinks and horn honks, so far so go.)

3. While still holding the program button, press the remote button.  (Here I get no feedback from the unit, no led, no horn.  Also no different feedback from the remote, just a feint red blink)

4. Release the program button





Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 17, 2010 at 7:52 AM

I've been reviewing my wires and notice that the door status output (-) on the bypass is not hooked to anything on the remote start.  I don't see a wire on the remote start that says anything about door status.  Could that be a problem?





Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: October 17, 2010 at 8:14 AM
It should be connected to the green on your Python, without that you wouldn't be able to do any programming.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 17, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Here is what i have on the python remote start for green wires.

GREEN / WHITE: Rearm (-)  I have this wire connected to the arm wire on the bypass.  I've tested this and when grounded it locks the doors.

GREEN/ Black: Disarm (-) I have this wire connected to the disarm wire on the bypass. I've tested this and when grounded it unlocks the doors.

Green: Door lock (-) Not connected to anything.  Is this the right wire?  Doesn't this wire send a signal to lock the doors? 





Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 17, 2010 at 5:37 PM

After some more research here, I am pretty sure that the green door lock wire on the remote start should not be connected to the door status output wire on the bypass.  I don't see anything on the Python's manual that lists a door status wire. 

Any one have any other ideas?  Could it be a defective unit?





Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: October 17, 2010 at 5:46 PM
Then that green door trigger wire should go to the door trigger wire(s).

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 17, 2010 at 8:17 PM

The bypass has one set of wires for arm/lock and disarm/unlock.  I hooked them up the remote start arm and disarm wires.  Do i need to combine the lock and arm wires on the remote start and hook them up to the arm/lock wire on the remote start?





Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 17, 2010 at 8:29 PM

criper wrote:

Do i need to combine the lock and arm wires on the remote start and hook them up to the arm/lock wire on the remote start?


I meant the arm/lock wire on the bypass.





Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: October 17, 2010 at 8:37 PM

I believe we are talking about 2 things here.

Lock/UnLock/Arm/DisArm            Does the remote start do keyless entry?  If yes, you want to connect the remote starts lock & unlock outputs to the bypass module.  The bypass module sends the commands on to the car thru Can Data.  The iDatalink takes the remote starts unlock signal and tells the car to disarm and unlock.  The bypass module takes the remote starts lock command and passes that onto the car as a lock and arm command.    Using the bypass module to disarm the factory alarm requires an unlock command from the remote start, which will also unlock the doors. 

Door Triggers             The door trigger is a signal the car generates when a door is open.  The remote start needs to see that to do programming, I think.  As I said I am not familiar with your Python remote start unit.   The iDatalink bypass does output a Door Status signal that you could connect to the Pythons (-) Door Trigger input.  Or you could connect the Python directly to the Rogues door trigger wire in the DKP or BCM.

Does your Rogue have the factory alarm?  Even if it does, the alarm will not sound if the car is remote started while alarmed.



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Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 18, 2010 at 8:40 AM
Thanks for the detailed explanation Kreg. I was asking about the door status output on the bypass, and I think the discussion went in the wrong direction. I'm pretty comfortable with my wiring of the lock/arm and unlock/disarm. I've even tested it by grounding the terminals and the doors lock and unlock as expected.

I've reviewed the python wiring diagram multiple times and just don't see anything that resembles door status or door trigger. Maybe I can scan the wiring diagram and post it here.





Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: October 18, 2010 at 9:50 AM
Green wire on plug H1 marked neg door trigger or door trigger-

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Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 18, 2010 at 12:20 PM
Here is the wiring diagram. No Door trigger wire.

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Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: October 18, 2010 at 2:02 PM

OK. No door trigger to worry about.  No Python expert, but I imagine that to program your remotes you use the Valet/Program button. 

Still the unanswered question, Is this unit a remote start only or does it include keyless entry?  That will determine how you connect the R/S door lock or arm/disarm wires to the bypass module.



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Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 18, 2010 at 3:13 PM
This is just a remote start. The remote has a single button, just to start the car. No lock/unlock buttons.

Also, to answer a previous question about the factory alarm. I think it has one?!? There is a security led, and a panic button on the key fob.




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: October 18, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Easiest way to find out.  Roll down drivers door window.  Lock car with factory FOB.  Wait for two minutes.  Reach in window and open door with inside door handle.  If horn beeps, you got the factory security.  As I mentioned earlier, even with factory security, the alarm should not sound if the car is remote started.  If you connect the Pythons disarm wire to the iDatalink UnLock/DisArm wire, it will unlock/disarm before remote start.  Then you would have to set the Python to Arm after start and connect the Arm wire to the bypass Lock/Arm wire to re-secure the Rogue.

But first you have to get the Pythons' one button transmitters programmed.  Perhaps if you listed the Python model number and the Part number / FCC number of the transmitters a Python person could help.



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Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 18, 2010 at 5:50 PM

It's a Python Responder One Model # 4203P

The numbers on the transmitter are as follows.  (Not sure which one is most helpful)

RPN 7211P

IC: 1513A-7211

FCC ID: EZSDEI7211





Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: October 18, 2010 at 5:58 PM
Got to be a faulty unit, it's so simple.
BUT please double check all your wiring, incidentally if you ground the WHITE/ blue activation input (probably twice in succession) does it remote start?

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 18, 2010 at 6:40 PM
howie ll wrote:

Got to be a faulty unit, it's so simple.

After 25 min on hold, i talked to Directed's tech support. The guy wasn't able to help me because i'm not an authorized dealer, but i kept asking simple questions and he kept answering. He mentioned that a good ground, power, and antenna was all that was needed to use/program the transmitter. I appear to have that because the led and horn work during my attempts to reprogram the transmitter. He mentioned it was likely a bad unit.

howie ll wrote:

incidentally if you ground the WHITE/ blue activation input (probably twice in succession) does it remote start?


I can try that tomorrow. What does it mean if it does start? What does it mean if it doesn't?




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: October 19, 2010 at 2:17 AM
Simple. If it starts your wiring is correct and you have a faulty unit. If it doesn't back to the answer given you by the DEI tech and myself all along.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 19, 2010 at 8:14 PM

I tried to start it using the WHITE/ blue activation wire, but no luck.  I've got a new unit coming that i'll try and swap out. 

Is there any way to bench test the unit to verify it's the problem?





Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: October 19, 2010 at 8:59 PM
You just have with the white /blue wire.
Another look, in fact don't just look, test and one more test, repeat the test with the blue /white, this time with the key in the ignition.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 20, 2010 at 11:52 AM
It doesn't work with the key in the ign either.

Kreg, I did verify that I do have a factory alarm system.




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: October 20, 2010 at 12:07 PM
The factory alarm shouldn't be a problem.  The 2011 Rogue I just did had the alarm too, but even locked and alarmed, the car will remote start without triggering the alarm.

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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: October 20, 2010 at 2:47 PM
Bad wiring, bet you haven't tested voltage etc. etc.
Bad wiring to by-pass, or improperly programmed.
Bad R/S or bad by-pass.
Bet you haven't tested the R/S outputs yet.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 21, 2010 at 6:22 PM

howie ll wrote:

Bad wiring, bet you haven't tested voltage etc. etc.
Bad wiring to by-pass, or improperly programmed.
Bad R/S or bad by-pass.
Bet you haven't tested the R/S outputs yet.

I'll be sure to test my wires again, but i've already checked and rechecked them. 

I doubt it's the bypass.  Even without one, i should be able to program my remotes.

If i can't get the remote start to activate, how would i test the outputs?





Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 24, 2010 at 8:00 PM
I received the new unit, and the first thing I noticed was that the remote in the box responded differently when I clicked it. It had a full led and made noise. After a few clicks it went to dim like the other remotes I have. Apparently Buy.com has some very old units on the shelf. All four remotes had dead, or almost dead batteries.

Dead battery was the first thing I though of when this problem started, and someone else mentioned it here as well. But when i pulled the batteries out and tested them they both had 3 volts, just as listed. I guess i should have listened to my gut instead of my machine.

Anyways, $11 in batteries later, I'm good to go. Thanks for everyones help and advice.




Posted By: criper
Date Posted: October 24, 2010 at 8:03 PM
Oh, and for other rookies like myself. The hoodpin shutdown is activated when grounded. So if you are waiting to drill the hole and hook it up until after everything else works, don't ground the wire attempting to bypass it. :)




Posted By: sape33
Date Posted: September 04, 2011 at 12:54 PM
python 4203p I does unlock door if you press boton more than 1.5 seconds. I just won't lock doors. You will have to do it manual.

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