1988 firebird remote start
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: June 10, 2024 at 8:09 PM
Topic: 1988 firebird remote start
Posted By: atomicspark
Subject: 1988 firebird remote start
Date Posted: November 03, 2010 at 7:50 PM
Hey guys, I have a 88 firebird that i am trying to install a Clifford 3.3X on... The alarm is working correctly however the Remote start is another problem... I have the starter and ignition wires hooked up correctly but when i hit the button on the remote it acts as if im turning the key but wont crank. I have also noticed that the fuel pump is not engaging prior to the crank. This vehicle does not have VATS on it because there is not a chip in the key.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: November 03, 2010 at 9:35 PM
What wires have you attached from the Clifford harness to the ignition harness ?
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: atomicspark
Date Posted: November 03, 2010 at 10:21 PM
Wires are as follows
Primary harness (H1), 12-pin connector
RED / WHITE - NC
RED - +12 CONSTANT
BROWN - Siren
WHITE/ BROWN - Light Switch
BLACK - Ground
VIOLET - NC
BLUE - NC
GREEN - Door Switch
BLACK/ WHITE - NC
WHITE/ BLUE - NC
WHITE - Park Light
ORANGE - NC
Auxiliary harness (H2), 8-pin connector
I dont have this harness hooked up...
Door lock harness, 3-pin connector
BLUE - Lock
GREEN - Un-Lock
Heavy gauge remote start, (H3) 10-pin connector
Pink - Pink Ignition 1
RED / Wht - NC
Orange - The HVAC 12+
Violet - Car side of the starter
Green - Key side of the Starter
Red - 12+ hot from Harness
Pink/Wht - NC
Pink/Blk - NC
Remote start input, 5-pin connector
Blk/Wht - Ground
Violet/Wht - Tach
Brown - Brake
Gray - Hood Pin
Blue/Wht - NC
Remote start auxiliary output, 5-pin
I dont have this hooked up either...
Thanks alot Velocity Motors!
Posted By: zerepdivad
Date Posted: November 04, 2010 at 12:08 AM
Battery RED (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
Ignition 1 PINK (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
Accessory 1 ORANGE (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
Starter 1 YELLOW (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
what do you have hooked to each of those wires?
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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: November 04, 2010 at 7:28 AM
Not familiar with the unit but isn't the RED / WHITE suppose to go to a 12 volt constant on the H3 connector?
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 04, 2010 at 7:46 AM
Yes also, and this seems to be a common problem, atomic spark, please power up RED / white.
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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 04, 2010 at 8:00 AM
Sorry my internet access is screwed up, I knew there was something missing here I had to down load the wiring diagramme from DEI, it's
H3/9 RED / BLACK, power it up, it feeds starter and accessory.
The RED / white on H/3 Jeff feeds the flex relay and thus isn't used here.
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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: November 04, 2010 at 9:38 AM
I thought there was suppose to be 2 12 volts leads on the DEI stuff. Regardless, your missing one of the two 12 volts as Howie stated above.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: atomicspark
Date Posted: November 04, 2010 at 10:36 AM
okay so i hook up the RED / black to a constant 12+ and the RED / white isnt used in this application right? Thanks so much for the replies
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 04, 2010 at 10:55 AM
3 12v+ inputs on the R/S side:
Red for ignition.
RED / Black for start and ACC
RED / white for flex relay.
Atomic spark, correct.
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Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: atomicspark
Date Posted: November 04, 2010 at 12:37 PM
Howie thats correct, i will try this a little later when i get home
Posted By: atomicspark
Date Posted: November 04, 2010 at 6:00 PM
Howie, i connected the RED / black and the RED / white wire to a constant 12+ and still no start. it sounds like it wants to engage the starter however it wont and then the remote buzzes at me. any ideas?
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 04, 2010 at 6:08 PM
Looking again at what you did, harness H1, BLACK/ white, ground it, also if auto programme for auto transmission.
If still no joy after you do those two things, try an R/S with the key in the ignition, if it then starts, you'll need a by-pass.
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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 04, 2010 at 6:09 PM
Forget the last I kept thinking it was a 98. There's no earthly reason for it to have an immobiliser.
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Posted By: atomicspark
Date Posted: November 04, 2010 at 7:22 PM
Howie, i connected the BLACK/ white on the H1 harness to a ground and it still wont crank. i programmed the brain to automatic transmission a few days ago. i dont get this and its driving me nuts! is there any other things to reprogram on the brain?
Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: November 04, 2010 at 8:38 PM
There should be a toggle switch with a plug the needs to be plugged into the brain and in the ON position. Do you get any flashes from the parking lights?
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Posted By: atomicspark
Date Posted: November 04, 2010 at 10:58 PM
Okay i just got the starter to crank by unhooking the red wire off of the ignition harness and wired the RED / black to replace the red wire... but the fuel pump is still not engaging.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 2:15 AM
They BOTH need to be powered up.
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Posted By: zerepdivad
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 3:38 AM
gotta love diy....
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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 3:44 AM
I think I'm working up to one of my rants....
Amateurs (AKA rookies, newbies and DIYers)
Read the instructions, listen to and take note of our suggestions.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 3:45 AM
Zerep shouldn't you be going to bed, it's nearly 9:00am here and I'm at least 6 hours ahead of you.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: zerepdivad
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 4:13 AM
yeah i definitely am going to bed now. it's 4 am here. tomorrows my day off.
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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 4:19 AM
When do you go off of summer time? We went back to GMT (Zulu) last week
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: atomicspark
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 9:26 AM
Okay well when i do power up both of them i get nothing. the relays in the brain just click.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 9:52 AM
This is where you get wized off when I say test everything, go over your connections again, have you programmed it away from manual transmission etc?
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: atomicspark
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 10:29 AM
Yes howie, i have tested my connections for the past week now. my wires are connected correct. also programmed it to a auto tranny right after i got the brain installed.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 10:45 AM
OK, got some spare wire? Remove key from ignition switch, join 12v+ constant ignition feed to ignition wire, gauges and lights should power up, flash from there to the starter wire, engine should fire up.
If it doesn't repeat with key in the ignition. If it fires up you need a by-pass (VATS).
If it still doesn't you've wired up something wrong.
If it fires up faulty R/S, check your output leads ignition and starter from R/S.
Starter lead cut, green to key side and violet to starter I assume?
Nothing much else I can think of. Have you connected the tach wire and grounded the BLACK/ white?
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: zerepdivad
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 3:12 PM
honestly not trying to be an ass or anything but this car is one of the simplest out there. even a diyer should be able to tackle it in a day. how exactly is it that you're testing your wires? do you know how an ignition, and accessory are supposed to test with a meter?
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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 3:24 PM
Entirely my thoughts but I was too diplomatic (for once ) to say anything, honestly give me 88-95 cars all day long, no brainers.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: atomicspark
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 3:44 PM
zerepdivad, not trying to be an ass? well you totally did the exact opposite of that. This car is not factory stock under the dash, the previous owner has wires going all over the effing place. This is the most ghetto rigged wiring i have seen. I know that i have the correct wires because half of the battle was finding them. And me and my trusty Fluke meter tracked them down. Howie, you have been very helpful in answering my questions but as for zerepdivad, thanks for your 2 cents but you can keep it.
Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 5:03 PM
I have been following this thread and NO WHERE did it get mentioned that the wiring under the dash WAS NOT factory wiring. I, like zerepdivad, thought that this should have been a simple install. But, if all the information is not provided to work with...The experts here can only give it their best shot with available info and wiring diagrams. Since your car has been extremly modified under the dash, it's hard to understand what you have. I am not a pro at this stuff, but I too am baffled as to why it won't work for you. It is easy to screw up on the wires, I know from my own experience.
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Posted By: atomicspark
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 6:27 PM
yes they are flashing
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 6:34 PM
Did you do those tests I asked you to do earlier?
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 6:36 PM
I also find the expression "ghetto wiring" rather offensive.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 7:17 PM
How many times do they flash?? 5, 6, 7, or 8 Flashes....It is telling us something.
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Posted By: zerepdivad
Date Posted: November 05, 2010 at 10:40 PM
reading the manual would be a great place to start seeing as how it tells you exactly what certain number of flashes means.
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Posted By: atomicspark
Date Posted: November 06, 2010 at 7:12 PM
The Virtual Tach was throwing things off. after i reprogrammed the brain to the Tach setting, it started with no problem. Thanks for the help guys
Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: November 06, 2010 at 7:38 PM
zerepdivad, he must have read your advice in your last post. By the way, where in Wisconsin are you located??
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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 06, 2010 at 7:40 PM
Not bad I only suggested the tach issue 2 days ago.
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Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: zerepdivad
Date Posted: November 06, 2010 at 9:28 PM
smokeman1 wrote:
zerepdivad, he must have read your advice in your last post. By the way, where in Wisconsin are you located??
I'm in Delavan, wi. near the il/wi state lines. probably like 20 minutes from illinois. ------------- A DMM is a beautiful thing.
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Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: November 07, 2010 at 7:53 AM
Way down south!! I am an hour north of Wausau in Minocqua, and on the 2003 Ford Explorer question on a different post, I will be in Milwaukee. So I want to have my info in order on that one. Thanks
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