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Wiring guidelines are here on this site. Also on https://www.bulldogsecurity.com/bdnew/vehiclewiringdiagrams.asp

Also install manual is in the download section of this site.

You should have a DMM for testing all wires prior to making any connections.

Doing a search for Viper 5701 should bring up other info that could guide you through the install.

No by pass is needed for your car. One less thing to wire up. Looks to be a rather easy install.

Will have to use the Pink/White as starter 2. You will have to enter the menu of the brain to change it starter 2 as it comes default as ignition2

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So let me know if this is correct...according to that link.

1 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT -> Ignition 1 BLACK/ RED (+)
2 RED / WHITE (30A) FUSED IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87 -> ?????
3 ORANGE ACCESSORY OUTPUT -> Accessory BLUE (+)
4 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT -> Car side of BLACK/ WHITE (+)
5 GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT -> Key side of BLACK/ WHITE (+)
6 RED (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT -> ?????
7 PINK/WHITE (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT -> Starter 2 BLACK / YELLOW (+)
8 PINK/BLACK FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY -> ?????
9 RED / BLACK FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT -> ?????

I had a remote start on my 92 S13, but it never worked correctly and it was "professionally" installed, I'm not new to vehicle or relay wiring at all, just never done a remote start security system and I want to make sure I get it right...I hate a half ass job.

This might help, all red wires need a positive lead (feed) the pink goes to ignition 1 and pink/white to ignition 2, the purple and the green are for the starter wire as stated, cut the starter wire and connect to corresponding side, orange is optional for acc if you want, I didnt use pink/ black or orange. the viper 5701/5901 dont require any extra ignition relays like other alrms, they are built in. Check my post if you like. posted_image

I checked your post, thanks for the tips. From that post I gathered something along the lines of this:

KEY: Viper alarm wires -> 91 240SX wires

PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT -> Ignition 1 BLACK/ RED (+)
RED / WHITE (30A) FUSED IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87 -> Constant +12
ORANGE ACCESSORY OUTPUT -> Accessory BLUE (+) (optional)
VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT -> Car side of BLACK/ WHITE (+)
GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT -> Key side of BLACK/ WHITE (+)
RED (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT -> Constant +12
PINK/WHITE (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT -> Starter 2 BLACK / YELLOW (+)
PINK/BLACK FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY -> NOT USED
RED / BLACK FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT -> Constant +12

And with the IGNITION 2 I'll need to program it as STARTER 2 for everything to work correctly...

I didn't program it, I just connected the wires together as descrived, but I dont know how nissans work though, I was confused at first too but all I did was just simplify it (viper makes it sound more complicated). But sounds right, you may want to contact other nissan members before you try any connections and risk burning any wires or alarm (I didnt have any issues). Oh and you have to initiate manual sequence or program the alarm to automatic or else it will not work and give you an ERROR message. Also as a safety precaution, connect the BLACK/ white wire to to activate remote to the parking brake to start when pulled upwards and the brown wire to the positive lead of the brake pedal in case someone tries to move the car or take off with it while on remote start that way it will shut it down. posted_image

Also, I spent an extra $85 on ebay on a Bitwritter but it was worth it, it was a time saver and I could access extra features.

Nice Ill look into the Bitwriter, and I agree with you 100% on the install manual being more complicated than it really is...I have plenty of automotive electronics experience and this damn alarm manual has got me scratching my head...

Any Nissan owners, preferably S13 240SX guys, out there want to chime in on my above wiring chart?

For your confidence, I never installed an alarm before and if I can do it, you can do it, I already installed 2. the main thing is learn what the wires from your car do. I will try to help you out as best I can tough.

I just think viper makes things sound more complicated to promote installer business. As long as you know basic electronis and do your research, anyone can do it. Plus, its fun learning new things.

Im making my own T-harness from some of my scrap 240s and this is my wiring config on it:

KEY: Viper wires -> 91 240SX wires

PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT -> Constant 12(+)
RED / WHITE (30A) FUSED IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87 -> Key side Ignition 2
ORANGE ACCESSORY OUTPUT -> Accessory BLUE (+) (optional)
VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT -> Car side of BLACK/ WHITE (+)
GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT -> Key side of BLACK/ WHITE (+)
RED (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT -> Ignition 1 BLACK/ RED (+)
PINK/WHITE (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT -> Car side Ignition 2 (+)
PINK/BLACK FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY -> NOT USED
RED / BLACK FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT -> NOT USED

Can someone please help me out here...so far the only thing for sure that I have right is the started in/outs...the manual is no help and I cant seem to find much else...

Got it all going...damn I was thinking way too much into it...the manual isnt much help, but I got it all straight.

240sr] wrote:

Got it all going...damn I was thinking way too much into it...the manual isnt much help, but I got it all straight.

hey how did you get it working? I'm installing the same in my 90 hatch s13 I can't get the car to start it give me the error message

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dat925stunna wrote:

240sr] wrote:

Got it all going...damn I was thinking way too much into it...the manual isnt much help, but I got it all straight.

hey how did you get it working? I'm installing the same in my 90 hatch s13 I can't get the car to start it give me the error message

Well how many parking light flashes does it give you after that error tone? is your car manual or automatic? if manual are you doing the manual trans sequence?

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\Well how many parking light flashes does it give you after that error tone? is your car manual or automatic? if manual are you doing the manual trans sequence?[/QUOTE]

PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT -> Black white

RED / WHITE (30A) FUSED IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87 -> white red

ORANGE ACCESSORY OUTPUT -> i dont have hooked up

VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT -> Car side of BLACK / YELLOW (+)

GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT -> Key side of BLACK / YELLOW(+)

RED (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT -> WHITE/ red

PINK/WHITE (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT -> Car side Ignition 2 black yellow

PINK/BLACK FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY -> i have not hooked up

RED / BLACK FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT -> WHITE/ red

and on the 90 i dont know if the wiring is different because of the single cam and dual cam motors

but i hooked up the following....

N.S.( BLACK/ white)- ebrake yellow brown or purple it looks like either or

(Brown) to RED / green

and (purple) to GREEN/ black

and i dont have the hood pin hooked up yet cuz i have no use for it yet but let me know what i have wrong

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its a manual btw sorry

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Sorry for the wait, on the flashes depends how many flashes it gives you, count the flashes and read the manual to determine what is the problem, example 8 flashes would be the hood pin....close the hood. And my car is manual.

anag7771 wrote:

Sorry for the wait, on the flashes depends how many flashes it gives you, count the flashes and read the manual to determine what is the problem, example 8 flashes would be the hood pin....close the hood. And my car is manual.

It gave me 7 do u know which is the ebrake wire?

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(7 flashes Manual transmission mode is enabled and not initialized)

Manual Transmission

If the vehicle has a manual transmission the proper steps must be followed

before leaving the parked vehicle or the remote start feature is

disabled.

1. Make sure the engine is running and the doors on the vehicle are

closed.

2. Put the transmission in neutral.

3. Press on the brake in the vehicle.

4. Apply the emergency brake.

5. Release the brake.

Note: Pressing the brake pedal again after this step will disable the

remote start feature.

6. Within 15 seconds activate the remote start from the remote.

7. The parking lights flash 5-times confirming that the remote start is

active. If the parking lights do not flash 5-times, then repeat steps

1 - 6.

8. Turn off the ignition (the car stays running when key is turned off).

9. exit the vehicle

10. Arm the alarm

(the vehicle should shut off when arming the system).

You can now remote start the vehicle.

(all this info you can find in page 28 of 5901 owner's guide)

Hey if u want to email me istead dat925stunna@gmail.com I tryed the proceure but the remote start still doesn't work

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have you actually tested any wires? and wdhy do you not have an accessory wire hooked up?
DId you hook up and learn tach? as well as your door trigger?
Also i own that exact car and have owned a few of them actually and there is a second starter wire in that car, and i see no mention of hooking that up, which tells me you aren't testing your wires....

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zerepdivad wrote:

have you actually tested any wires? and wdhy do you not have an accessory wire hooked up?
DId you hook up and learn tach? as well as your door trigger?
Also i own that exact car and have owned a few of them actually and there is a second starter wire in that car, and i see no mention of hooking that up, which tells me you aren't testing your wires....

I didn check em but its all connected correctly but the remote start wires I don't kno if I have it right or not

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I did learn the tach the accessory wire is hooked up now hood pin is in does the ignition 1 need a power wire hooked up with the pink to a power wire or no

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USE A METER AND VERIFY ALL WIRES. I can't help you if you're just randomly hooking stuff up how a diagram you found online tells you. get a multimeter and test your wires. I know for a fact that car has a second starter wire, and since you didn't mention it that means to me that you aren't testing your wires.

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zerepdivad wrote:

USE A METER AND VERIFY ALL WIRES. I can't help you if you're just randomly hooking stuff up how a diagram you found online tells you. get a multimeter and test your wires. I know for a fact that car has a second starter wire, and since you didn't mention it that means to me that you aren't testing your wires.

I have a multi meter but I have no clue how to use it I didn't hook it up randomly? I made each connection according to the diagram mentioned on the site in that link

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One of the posts
GREEN to key side of cut starter wire.
Violet to car side of cut starter wire.
You must test these wires, DON'T ASSUME.
I can see from the answers you aren't testing so how can we give you any advice?

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I can't even begin to point out some of the errors you people made on your charts because there are so many of you jumping the bloody thread.
This has got to be one of the simplest vehicles around. Get the tach from the coil, the engine management or the back of the instrument panel.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

howie ll wrote:

I can't even begin to point out some of the errors you people made on your charts because there are so many of you jumping the bloody thread.
This has got to be one of the simplest vehicles around. Get the tach from the coil, the engine management or the back of the instrument panel.

ok like I said before I connected every thing according to the wiring diagrams online.... only thing I'm having trouble with is pink wire and pink/white and now ignition controlled locks

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you'd have no problem with the ignition wires if you were testing your wires. that's really the best advice i can give you since i know for a fact it is not hooked up properly, because i've looked at the diagrams for 240sx's and they're generally wrong in comparison to the ones i've owned.

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zerepdivad wrote:

you'd have no problem with the ignition wires if you were testing your wires. that's really the best advice i can give you since i know for a fact it is not hooked up properly, because i've looked at the diagrams for 240sx's and they're generally wrong in comparison to the ones i've owned.

so wanna tell me what I need to do then besides buy a dmm help me out please

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Another thing the car has. 2 starter wires but the alarm has 2 ignitions how does that work

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The H3/7, Pink/White comes default as Ignition 2. It can be changed to starter 2. Menu 3, Item 8, Option 3. The install manual will explain how to do that. If you don't have the install manual for the 5701, it can be downloaded from this site in the downloads section. There is a section in the manual as to how to test for the wires you need. If you don't have a DMM, GET ONE. Then start testing the wires, and connecting them one at a time.

You can't connect wires according to some diagram online. You must test and verify each wire. Without doing that, you are wasting your time and getting frustrated.

Read the install manual.

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I had the alarm hooked up correctly but the alarm i programmed the flex relay to starter 2 thanks for the help though and yes the diagrams were correct and for you future D.I.Y's the ebrake wire location if right above the fusebox its a **YELLOW and PURPLE STRIPE** it never changes through out the car trust me i took my dash out to make sure..... email me ill help

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