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remote starter 5901 on 98 4runner

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Topic: remote starter 5901 on 98 4runner

Posted By: tonhu1969
Subject: remote starter 5901 on 98 4runner
Date Posted: November 20, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Can anyone help me the wiring diagram in detail (collor to collor) to install viper 5901 remote starter on 1998 4runner with manual transmission?  I got the alarm worked but the remote starter would not make any sound or crank.  Thank you!



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Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: November 20, 2010 at 10:24 PM

The following is based on the info from Bulldog Security and their wire listing for the 1998 Toyota 4Runner.
https://www.bulldogsecurity.com/bdnew/vehiclewiringdiagrams.asp   All wires should be verified with a
Digital Multi Meter.  Please note that AudioVox shows very different colors on their wire guide.
https://techservices.audiovox.com/login.aspx  Sign-up is free.

             Viper                                                                                                               4Runner Ignition Switch
H3/1 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT                                                               BLACK / YELLOW (+)
H3/2 RED / WHITE (30A) FUSED IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87                       WHITE (+) and WHITE/ RED (+)
H3/3 ORANGE ACCESSORY OUTPUT                                                                  BLUE/RED (+)
H3/4 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL WIRE)      GREEN/ BLACK (+) or BLACK (+) car side
H3/5 GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL WIRE)         GREEN/ BLACK (+) or BLACK (+) key side
H3/6 RED (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT                                                       WHITE (+) and WHITE/ RED (+)
H3/7 PINK/WHITE (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT                                      BLACK / YELLOW (+) or BLACK/ RED (+)
H3/8 PINK/BLACK FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY    Not Used
H3/9 RED / BLACK FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT                            WHITE (+) and WHITE/ RED (+)
H3/10 N/C N/C

The clutch bypass would have to be determined with actual meter probing as no info is listed by Bulldog Security.
The Viper comes defauled for Manual Transmission Mode but the Viper programming should be changed to TACH Mode via
Menu 3, Menu Item 2, to Option 4.  While Bulldog lists a transponder immobilizer, there might not actually be one.



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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 21, 2010 at 1:58 AM
Here we go again!

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Posted By: tonhu1969
Date Posted: November 21, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Hi Gre357,

Thank you for quickly responded!  I got little confuse that when it says for an example:

"H3/2 RED / WHITE (30A) FUSED IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87                       WHITE (+) and WHITE/ RED (+)".  Does it mean I can connect to either 1 of these wires or both wires?

Also, How to install remote starter viper 5901 on manual transmission with safety mode still operatable?  Thanks a bunch again!





Posted By: tonhu1969
Date Posted: November 21, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Can anyone help me the wiring diagram in detail (collor to collor) to install viper 5901 remote starter with 530T window module on 1998 4runner with manual transmission?  I got the alarm worked but the remote starter would not make any sound or crank.  Thank you!





Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 21, 2010 at 10:27 AM
The 5901 comes as manual transmission default.
White and WHITE/ red are the 12V+ constant feeds at the ignition switch.
Join the 5901's RED / white to one of these. Also the red and the RED / black. Then it might start.
The 530t has its wiring connections embossed on the back, also full wiring with its installation sheet.
Are you reading the installation instructions on the 5901?
All of your questions would be answered by yourself using a DMM.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: tonhu1969
Date Posted: November 21, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Hi Howi II

Yes, I connect like you said but the light indicators on the instrument cluster panel go off when the remote starter tries to start and only a couple small clicks from the repays in the engine compartment .  I tried to set up the MTS like start the truck with key, neutral, padel brake, hand brake, un-padel brake, push remote start button, turn off $ remove key (without touching brake padel), get out.  But the engine will turn off when I tuen off by key at this step.

Thank you for your help again!





Posted By: tonhu1969
Date Posted: November 22, 2010 at 7:01 AM

HI all Kreg357 and Howi II)

I have installed viper remote starter 5901 on 1998 4runner with manual transmission as  instruction:

             Viper                                                                                                               4Runner Ignition Switch
H3/1 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT                                                               BLACK / YELLOW (+)
H3/2 RED / WHITE (30A) FUSED IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87                       WHITE (+) and WHITE/ RED (+)
H3/3 ORANGE ACCESSORY OUTPUT                                                                  BLUE/RED (+)
H3/4 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL WIRE)      GREEN/ BLACK (+) or BLACK (+) car side
H3/5 GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL WIRE)         GREEN/ BLACK (+) or BLACK (+) key side
H3/6 RED (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT                                                       WHITE (+) and WHITE/ RED (+)
H3/7 PINK/WHITE (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT                                      BLACK / YELLOW (+) or BLACK/ RED (+)
H3/8 PINK/BLACK FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY    Not Used
H3/9 RED / BLACK FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT                            WHITE (+) and WHITE/ RED (+)
H3/10 N/C N/C.

When I did enable MTS, the set up went o.k with 5 flashing lights like it should be, engine shut down when I armed to confirm MTS mode.  But when I tried to start, a few relay clicks in the engine compartment (as normal like when I started with the key) and it won't turn over or crank at all.  after 3 attempts remote start, the parking light flashs 5 time indicates that brake switch is actived.  When I tried to start in the automatic mode, it does the same  (a few relay clicks and won't turn over).  I connected all the wires like they should be including E brake, brake switch, pin hood, door trigger etc..

Can anyone help me?  Thanks a bunch in addvance!





Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 22, 2010 at 11:45 AM
Check your voltage between the red and the ground at the H3 plug.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: tonhu1969
Date Posted: November 22, 2010 at 4:42 PM

Hi Howie II,

I get +12 volts constant at red H3/6 and ground.





Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: November 22, 2010 at 7:26 PM
With a manual transmission, you must be in TACH mode.  This will require running the Tach wire, Remote start input - 5-pin connector   VIOLET/WHITE Tachometer input, to a suitable tach signal source.  Also you must change the Vipers programming, Menu 3, Menu Item 2 to Option 4.  Next the Tach Learn process must be successfully done.

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Posted By: tonhu1969
Date Posted: November 23, 2010 at 6:01 AM

Hi Kreg 357,

Thank you for you help.  I do have a manual transmission, it has been  hooked up in TACH mode. I connected  the Tach wire! , Remote start input - 5-pin connector   VIOLET/WHITE Tachometer input, to a suitable tach signal source.  Also  I changed the Vipers programming, Menu 3, Menu Item 2 to Option 4.  The Tach Learn process has been successfully done.  I found that I don't have +12 Volt on  either Green and Violet  ( starter car/key side) when the remote tried to start.  The remote said " Remote start Off " as soon as I initial MTS completed (after door closed and arned the system).  The MTS set up process done and shut off the engine when I arm the truck at the ens as it should be. 

Thanks a bunch again!





Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 23, 2010 at 6:06 AM
Temporarily join green and violet (purple) together then try a remote start. Let me know what happens.


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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: tonhu1969
Date Posted: November 23, 2010 at 6:52 AM

HI Kreg 357,

I am guessing that there must me some set off programing in the brain or something that will not allow it enable the remote starter function.  Because as soon as I completed MTS mote, the display on the remote show that "Remote Starter Off".  I think that the brain will not enter/enable to allow the power to the Violet wire to the starter of the car.  At the key start function, the power will be transfered from the cyclinder swith to the Green wire (Gree/Black on ignition hardness) with activates the starter.  But when remote start, the brain will provide power straigh to the Violet wire to the starter.  Am I correct\?  I need to find out if the 5 flashing when I tried to remote start (brake swith is on actice), the brake switch has already triggered the brain that will kill the starter enable mode.  There are 4 wire in the brake switch, 2 for the cruise control and other 2 for brake light.  I connected the brain wire to GREEN / WHITE on the brake switch like manual says.  I really appiciate your help!





Posted By: tonhu1969
Date Posted: November 23, 2010 at 7:00 AM

Hi Kreg 357, ( duplicated due to misspelling)

I am guessing that there must be some set off programing in the brain or something that will not allow it enable the remote starter function.  Because as soon as I completed MTS mote, the display on the remote showed that "Remote Starter Off".  I think that the brain will not enter/enable to allow the power out put to the Violet wire to the starter of the car.  At the key start function, the power will be transffered from the cyclinder swith to the Green wire (Gree/Black on ignition hardness) which activates the starter.  But when remote start, the brain will provide power straigh to the Violet wire to the starter.  Am I correct\?  I need to find out if the 5 flashing when I tried to remote start (brake swith is on active), the brake switch has already triggered the brain that will kill the starter enable mode.  There are 4 wire in the brake switch, 2 for the cruise control and other 2 for brake light.  I connected the brain wire to GREEN / WHITE on the brake switch like manual says.  I really appreciate your help!





Posted By: tonhu1969
Date Posted: November 23, 2010 at 7:06 AM

Hi again,

Does it matter if I connected like these:

  

             Viper                                                                                                               4Runner Ignition Switch
H3/1 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT                                                               BLACK / YELLOW (+)
H3/2 RED / WHITE (30A) FUSED IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87                       WHITE (+) Constant
H3/3 ORANGE ACCESSORY OUTPUT                                                                  BLUE/RED (+)
H3/4 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL WIRE)      GREEN/ BLACK (+) or BLACK (+) car side
H3/5 GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL WIRE)         GREEN/ BLACK (+) or BLACK (+) key side
H3/6 RED (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT                                                       WHITE (+) Constant
H3/7 PINK/WHITE (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT                                      BLACK/ RED (+)
H3/8 PINK/BLACK FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY    Not Used
H3/9 RED / BLACK FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT                            WHITE (+) Constant
H3/10 N/C N/C.

Would H3/2 ( RED / White) , H3/6 (Red), and H3/9 RED / Black) are  connected to the same White (+) constant which may cause too much draw that may drop and provide not enough Voltage to the brain?





Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: November 23, 2010 at 9:31 AM

For the Viper power wires:  If the 4Runners White (+) 12v Constant wire at the ignition switch is a thick, heavy gauge, it is no problem for all 3 wires from the H3 harness to be connected ( soldered ) to the one single wire.  ( I believe it is rated at 40A.)

Five blinks means a brake shutdown.  As a test, you can temporarily disconnect the Viper Brake input wire.  You will need a Digital Multi Meter to verify the wires at the brake pedal switches.

Also, Howard has made a great suggestion in temporarily bypasing the Starter Kill function.



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Posted By: tonhu1969
Date Posted: November 23, 2010 at 2:00 PM

Hi again,

I tested the brake switch and GREEN / WHITE provided +12 with brake applied and 0 at released.  Also, the sitch itself is in good functional condition with a strong normal return spring.  So, the brake input id reliable and no intermittent at all.  Thanks again!





Posted By: moonliter
Date Posted: November 23, 2010 at 4:00 PM
I didn't see anything about how you did the bypass on the clutch switch ? Had you try to remote start with the clutch pedal pressed ?




Posted By: tonhu1969
Date Posted: November 23, 2010 at 7:30 PM

Hi all,

I have tried to remote start with automatic transmission mode.  It didn't do anything but turned on the instrument panel lighst (like when I started the truck with key as normal).  There were a few clicks from relay in the enging compartment.  There were also no flashing light but the remote screen said "remote start error"

When I set to manual mode ( with completed MTS mode done) then started the truck, it did nothing with the same results above but I got flashing with 5 times code (this included without bypass clutch, with clutch pedal depress, with safety switch button engaged, with jumper wire installed in the clutch switch unplugged).  However, right after I completed MTS, When I pushed arm, the enging turned off like it should be but the remote starter said "remote started off".  This may be a key that some circuits shut off remote to become starter kill (disable).  I don't think the brain is bad because the alarm works just fine.  I connected all the wire (soldered) where they should be.  Can you give me an idea?

Thanks a bunch in advance!






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