starter kill or fuel pump kill?
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: starter kill or fuel pump kill?
Posted By: etang789
Subject: starter kill or fuel pump kill?
Date Posted: November 22, 2010 at 2:20 AM
Im doing an alarm install right now using Viper 5901 on my Honda S2000, should I do starter kill or fuel pump kill?
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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 22, 2010 at 3:14 AM
Starter, fuel pump is dangerous, it might cut out whilst you're driving.
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Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: oldspark
Date Posted: November 22, 2010 at 3:20 AM
Phew! I thought this was an "engine kill" question (eg, for competitions, or whether no oil pressure should kill the fuel pump (LOL!) or ignition).
Posted By: etang789
Date Posted: November 22, 2010 at 7:35 AM
howie ll wrote:
Starter, fuel pump is dangerous, it might cut out whilst you're driving.
Thanks for your quick reply!
Sorry your sentence isnt very clear to me. Do you mean starter cut is what I should use?
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 22, 2010 at 8:35 AM
Yes.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: November 22, 2010 at 9:45 PM
For liability reasons starter kill is the only way to go. Fuel pump and Ignition kill can have catastrophic consequences if they fail at the wrong time. If the starter kill fails, the worse thing that can happen is you are stranded with a car that will not start. Fuel pump or Ignition kill failures could leave you dead in the water in the path of that semi you just pulled out in front of.
From a security standpoint, knowing that your vehicle has a manual transmission, it can easily be push started. Not the most secure way to do it on a manual tranny, but it is the safest.
Posted By: etang789
Date Posted: November 23, 2010 at 1:57 AM
i am an idiot wrote:
For liability reasons starter kill is the only way to go. Fuel pump and Ignition kill can have catastrophic consequences if they fail at the wrong time. If the starter kill fails, the worse thing that can happen is you are stranded with a car that will not start. Fuel pump or Ignition kill failures could leave you dead in the water in the path of that semi you just pulled out in front of.
From a security standpoint, knowing that your vehicle has a manual transmission, it can easily be push started. Not the most secure way to do it on a manual tranny, but it is the safest.
Ok understood! Do you use an extra relay? or do you just directly connect to alarm brain? Im gonna use Viper 5901.
I have to extend the wires to the back of the car to hide my alarm brain so im debating on using a relay or not.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 23, 2010 at 3:07 AM
Connect to alarm brain, the relay is built in on the Viper, green to key side violet to starter side.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: etang789
Date Posted: November 23, 2010 at 3:38 AM
howie ll wrote:
Connect to alarm brain, the relay is built in on the Viper, green to key side violet to starter side.
Is it ok even with long extension to the back of the car?
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 23, 2010 at 3:42 AM
My first thought was to do this ?.
But I have to ask why.
I might also point out that to be effective those H3 leads should be as short as possible. I always try and limit R/S output leads to no more than about 18"/45cm.
If you have space problems at the front mount under driver's seat.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: 91stt
Date Posted: November 23, 2010 at 12:48 PM
For the starter kill, you can always add a relay and use the orange GWA wire.
For the remote start, you may be introducing too much voltage drop for reliability. You may have to supplement all the ignition wires with relays.
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This information is provided only as a reference.
All circuits should be verified with a digital multi-meter prior to making any connections.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 23, 2010 at 3:21 PM
As I said. And finding the space for those 4 relays means you'd be taking up as much space as the 5901/2 anyway.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
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