viper model 5501 in 2005 elantra m/t

Hello everyone,

First, thank you for taking the time to read my topic. I am not exactly a newb when comes time to car electronics (I have many installations of H/U, amplifiers, subs, piggyback computers, gauges, etc.... behind my belt) but I am as far as remote starter goes and I am kind of stuck on an install. On to my problem:

As soon as I engage the remote starter (the routine you have to do in a manual transmission), the starter just starts grinding and it won't stop until I cancel the request to go in ''remote start'' mode. No difference if the key is in the ignition or if I take it out. I have gone through my whole wiring again and could not find the problem, I even checked with my multimeter and everything seems to check out. Here are a few tests\adjustments I did:

• I verified to ensure that all the right modes were programmed in the brain (turbo timer is on since I do have the push button installed)
• I installed a bypass for the clutch (relay) and it works flawlessly. I used the status output to energize the coil.
• I tried to relearn the tach signal numerous times and even switched the input (I had it on the crank position sensor and switched it right on the tachometer, no difference). I even tried tapping the gas medal while it grinds and I can confirm that the starter won't disengage.
• I took out the three fuses in my remote start harness and even though I did that, the car would still work and keep grinding the starter(!?) I tried the vehicle in automatic transmission mode (NOT RECOMMENDED) and confirmed that the car could start in this mode. However, if I start it  up in this mode, again when I activate the turbo timer, it will start doing like in MT mode and grind the starter.

As far as immobilizer goes, I do not have any in this car (even though they say that those Canadian models have one, I don't even have the light in the dash).

If anyone has any input or ideas, please share them as I am pretty clueless and am close to bringing the unit to a shop to get it bench tested (if possible).

Thanks

Have you tried voltage mode? Wait i just re-read your initial post where you said you removed the three fuses from the heavy gauge harness and it still grinds, re-check your wiring to ensure the starter wire isn't rubbing against any exposed ignition or power wires, it happens.

maral01 wrote:

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Hello everyone,

First, thank you for taking the time to read my topic. I am not exactly a newb when comes time to car electronics (I have many installations of H/U, amplifiers, subs, piggyback computers, gauges, etc.... behind my belt) but I am as far as remote starter goes and I am kind of stuck on an install. On to my problem:

As soon as I engage the remote starter (the routine you have to do in a manual transmission), the starter just starts grinding and it won't stop until I cancel the request to go in ''remote start'' mode. No difference if the key is in the ignition or if I take it out. I have gone through my whole wiring again and could not find the problem, I even checked with my multimeter and everything seems to check out. Here are a few tests\adjustments I did:

• I verified to ensure that all the right modes were programmed in the brain (turbo timer is on since I do have the push button installed)


• I installed a bypass for the clutch (relay) and it works flawlessly. I used the status output to energize the coil.


• I tried to relearn the tach signal numerous times and even switched the input (I had it on the crank position sensor and switched it right on the tachometer, no difference). I even tried tapping the gas medal while it grinds and I can confirm that the starter won't disengage.


• I took out the three fuses in my remote start harness and even though I did that, the car would still work and keep grinding the starter(!?) I tried the vehicle in automatic transmission mode (NOT RECOMMENDED) and confirmed that the car could start in this mode. However, if I start it  up in this mode, again when I activate the turbo timer, it will start doing like in MT mode and grind the starter.

As far as immobilizer goes, I do not have any in this car (even though they say that those Canadian models have one, I don't even have the light in the dash).

If anyone has any input or ideas, please share them as I am pretty clueless and am close to bringing the unit to a shop to get it bench tested (if possible).

Thanks

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zerepdivad wrote:

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What do you mean you have the status triggering the clutch relay.... you shoudl be using the units - starter output. pretty certain that's your issue.

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t&t tech wrote:

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Have you tried voltage mode? Wait i just re-read your initial post where you said you removed the three fuses from the heavy gauge harness and it still grinds, re-check your wiring to ensure the starter wire isn't rubbing against any exposed ignition or power wires, it happens.

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I did check to ensure that no wires were exposed, as I thought it was the problem too at first and all is good.

zerepdivad wrote:

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you do have purple hooked to hte yellow/red correct?

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zerepdivad wrote:

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Audiovox doesn't list a white wire in the ignition harness as starter. it lists yellow/red as starter Are you verifying all wires with a meter?

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12V constant: Pink and Red wires of ignition harness - the 3 fused inputs to the remote starter harness (ignition 1 and ignition 2 inputs on red wire, starter input wire on pink wire)
Starter: White wire of ignition harness - purple wire on remote starter harness (starter output)
Ignition: Orange wire of ignition harness - pink wire on remote starter harness
Accessory: green and yellow wires of ignition harness - orange and pink/white (ignition 2 flex relay output programmed as accessory 2) wires on remote starter harness

t&t tech wrote:

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There is no reason the starte should grind if you have the three thirty amp fuses dissconnected, unless you have faulty wiring, ignition switch or relays that are latching.

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OK, so I triple checked my wiring today and all is connected as per the manufacturer's specs. Also, I did more testing on the unit today and came up with the following:

- I still have constant starter grinding even if the ignition harness is unplugged from the ignition switch, which pretty much takes away the switch as being the culprit.

- The unit will start the vehicle (and cause constant starter grind) with only the Ignition 1 fuse in the RS harness. Also, I noticed that the starter engages as soon as I press on the remote start button on the remote.

- When the starter grinds, I DO NOT even have voltage going through my purple wire from the RS harness, nor do I have voltage showing on the ignition's white starter wire.

If anyone has an idea of where to start looking, I will gladly start checking everywhere because I have no idea what is going on at the moment. For now, the RS switch is at off and all fuses have been taken out for safety's sake.

zerepdivad wrote:

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[What do you mean you have the status triggering the clutch relay.... you shoudl be using the units - starter output. pretty certain that's your issue.

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UPDATE: That was exactly the issue, the last think I hadn't checked. Thanks zerepdivad (and everyone else) for all the input, finally got it working right!!!!