5901 without remote start
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: 5901 without remote start
Posted By: etang789
Subject: 5901 without remote start
Date Posted: November 29, 2010 at 12:18 PM
Which wires can be omitted from the viper 5901 H3 harness, if I am not doing the remote start but I still want starter kill on my Honda S2000?
H3 HARNESS
H3/1__Pink___________Ignition 1 Input/Output__________________Ignition Wire
H3/2__RED / White______Flex Relay Input
H3/3__Orange_________Accessory Output
H3/4__Violet__________Starter Output (Car Side)_________________Starter Wire Car Side
H3/5__Green__________Starter Input (Key Side)__________________Starter Wire Key Side
H3/6__Red____________Ignition 1 Input
H3/7__Pink/White______(30) Flex Relay Output
H3/8__Pink/Black______(87a) Flex Relay Input
H3/9__RED / Black_______Accessory/Starter Relay Input
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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 29, 2010 at 2:39 PM
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: November 29, 2010 at 4:14 PM
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 29, 2010 at 4:41 PM
Is there a separate 5 amp power line Darren? If so you're right, sorry.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: November 29, 2010 at 4:54 PM
Yes howard, it's actually 15 amps.
Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: November 29, 2010 at 4:55 PM
After re-reading the OP's post, he asked which wires can be omitted, but the wires we listed are the wires you will need to use, so the other wil be omitted.
Posted By: etang789
Date Posted: November 29, 2010 at 8:54 PM
t&t tech wrote:
After re-reading the OP's post, he asked which wires can be omitted, but the wires we listed are the wires you will need to use, so the other wil be omitted.
Wow thanks for the quick reply!
will let you guys know how the install goes.
Posted By: etang789
Date Posted: November 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM
t&t tech wrote:
Yes howard, it's actually 15 amps.
and this wire is in the H1 harness if im not mistaken.
Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: November 30, 2010 at 4:12 PM
Yes.
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: December 01, 2010 at 4:20 PM
you will probably need 9 hooked up as well as that is for the starter relay (unless it uses a separate starter kill relay)
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Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
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since 1979
Posted By: etang789
Date Posted: December 06, 2010 at 4:22 AM
What is the difference between Ignition vs Second Ignition? Which one should I use for the
H3/1__Pink___________Ignition 1 Input/Output__________________Ignition Wire
S2000 wiring diagram
Ignition BLACK / YELLOW + ignition harness
Second Ignition BLACK/ red + ignition harness
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: December 06, 2010 at 11:11 AM
I haven't got time to explain the technical reasons but connect the pink to the BLACK / YELLOW which is ignition 1.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: etang789
Date Posted: December 06, 2010 at 6:59 PM
howie ll wrote:
I haven't got time to explain the technical reasons but connect the pink to the BLACK / YELLOW which is ignition 1.
Please do if you have time. As of now I have connected it to Second ignition since its what the previous installer did.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: December 07, 2010 at 2:52 AM
Generally ignition 1 stays live during cranking (engine start). To save the battery only ign 1 and start 1 and 2 (when there are more than 1 starter wire e.g. Nissan) will go live. If you have an aftermarket or built in immobiliser, (such as a 5901) the vehicle wont start because the starter cut/anti-grind relay (internal/external)coils isn't getting any power unless it's source is ignition 1. Thus the stress here and on manufacturer's sheets differentiating ign 1 and ign 2.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: etang789
Date Posted: December 07, 2010 at 5:14 AM
howie ll wrote:
Generally ignition 1 stays live during cranking (engine start). To save the battery only ign 1 and start 1 and 2 (when there are more than 1 starter wire e.g. Nissan) will go live. If you have an aftermarket or built in immobiliser, (such as a 5901) the vehicle wont start because the starter cut/anti-grind relay (internal/external)coils isn't getting any power unless it's source is ignition 1. Thus the stress here and on manufacturer's sheets differentiating ign 1 and ign 2.
wow thanks this is very helpful and well explained...
Posted By: etang789
Date Posted: January 24, 2011 at 12:59 AM
I was helping a friend installing Viper 5901 on to his S2k... It is my third viper 5901 install on the S2000.
Everything works but the doors wont unlock, even if the alarm is disconnected, then we tried the Keyless module on another S2k its the same (won't unlock, only locks). So then I tested the relays it wont go negative for unlock it stays at 9volt not 12v or 0v any suggestion in fixing this? ( we tapped into the circuit board of the Keyless Module to do the 2 wire lock/unlock, this method worked before we uninstall the old alarm and on other S2k)
I will need to double check if theres a short circuit somewhere that caused the failure of the module.
Im guessing replacing the module will be expensive, can I just replace the relays on the circuit board?
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: January 24, 2011 at 2:39 AM
Did you test your connections on the vehicle before you actually installed anything?
Loads of money, why amateurs shouldn't do this work.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: etang789
Date Posted: January 24, 2011 at 4:15 AM
howie ll wrote:
Did you test your connections on the vehicle before you actually installed anything?
Loads of money, why amateurs shouldn't do this work.
Yes I have tested all my connections.
I would love to pay some alarm professional(proper certified Viper alarm dealer) to do the installation work for us, but over here in HK there arent any professionals! Why? coz each S2000 we come by all the wires are cut up and installed with butcher job for alarm/stereo installs. Although we may not be specialized in alarm installation, we do run a proper garage over here with all the tools and service manual.
Posted By: etang789
Date Posted: January 24, 2011 at 4:17 AM
etang789 wrote:
howie ll wrote:
Did you test your connections on the vehicle before you actually installed anything?
Loads of money, why amateurs shouldn't do this work.
Yes I have tested all my connections.
I would love to pay some alarm professional(proper certified Viper alarm dealer) to do the installation work for us, but over here in HK there arent any professionals! Why? coz each S2000 we come by all the wires are cut up and installed with butcher job for alarm/stereo installs. Although we may not be specialized in alarm installation, we do run a proper garage over here with all the tools and service manual.
So any help guys?
Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: January 24, 2011 at 6:18 PM
Not sure if you mentioned it before but, what year is the s2000?, cut the trigger wires going to the module and send the ground to the module only and see if it locks and unlocks and post back.
Posted By: etang789
Date Posted: January 24, 2011 at 9:50 PM
t&t tech wrote:
Not sure if you mentioned it before but, what year is the s2000?, cut the trigger wires going to the module and send the ground to the module only and see if it locks and unlocks and post back.
Do you mean cutting the trigger wire from the alarm, and just ground the relay manually?
I was thinking of trying this actually
And also changing the grounding location for the alarm as well.
Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: January 25, 2011 at 8:24 PM
Cut the trigger wires from the relays in the car and ground them and see what happens.
Posted By: etang789
Date Posted: January 25, 2011 at 11:10 PM
t&t tech wrote:
Cut the trigger wires from the relays in the car and ground them and see what happens.
Ok I have tried that, you can hear the door actuator make noise but not enough to lock/unlock.
I have also performed the wiring test according to the Honda service manual. seems like all door lock motors and wires are good.
seems like its just the relay module is fried?
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