im stumped, viper 5301, 2003 yukon

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2003 GMC Yukon SLT 5.3 V8 Not Flex Fuel 4WD 4Door

problem is this ,at the moment. after installed  battery drain overnight , and no start on remote just 7 flashes to indicate Maunal Trans Mode Enabled. Tried to reprogram but didnt work.

Connections as Follows

              5301                                              Vehicle Connections

• H1/1  RED / wht     trunk release                             N/A
• H1/2  red              12 volt constant                       to   red  constant
• H1/3  brown         -horn output                             to  black in sterring
• H1/4  wht/brwn     light flash                                N/A
• H1/5  black           -chassis ground                    grounded to chassis
• H1/6  violet           +door trig input                       domelight
• H1/7  blue            - factory horn input                 N/A
• H1/8  green         - door trig input                       N/A
• H1/9  BLACK/ wht   -200mA dome light out         N/A
• H1/10 WHITE/ blue - remote start/turbo time     N/A
• H1/11 white             parking lights                     grey/blk @ BCM
• H1/12 orange      -500mA GWA output             brown    @ XK01-AMDL
• Next Harness Harness (H2) Not Used
• Harness 3 (H3)
• H3/1 pink               Ignition 1                               pink   ign                 @  Ign swch
• H3/2 RED / wht         ign 2 + fused 30a                white ign2               @ ign swch 
• H3/3 orange         acessory output                   brown 2nd acces  @ ign swch ***
• H3/4 violet             starter output                        yellow starter          @ ign swch
• H3/5 red                +fused 30a ign 1 input        pink                          @ ign swch
• H3/6 pink/wht        ignition 2                               white ign2               @ ign swch
• H3/7 pink/blk         flex relay                                N/A
• H3/8 RED / black      accesory/starter input         brown 2nd accesory  *** is this right?

*** are those correct?

        remote start 5-pin                                                     vehicle

• BLACK/ white - neutral saftey switch input         ground
• violet/white    tachometer                                   fuel injector any wire but not pink
• brown           + brake shutdown                         white above brake pedal 
• gray               hoodpin                                          hoodpin installed
• blue/white    -200mA 2nd status/ rear defog   N/A

remote start 3-pin door lock harness                          XK01-AMDL Module

• blue +lock -unlock output                                 blue
• emty
• green -lock + unlock output                             green

XK01-AMDL Module                                                       Vehicle or Viper 5301

• brown ground when running                          viper H1/12
• green           lock                                                viper 3-pin green -lock +unlock
• blue              unlock                                           viper 3-pin blue   +lock -unlock
• violet/white  door sense                                  N/A
• violet             data                                               vehicle OBD2
• pink/white    window roll up relay req            N/A
• pink               domelight                                    domelight
• orange          disarm output                             N/A                                             *** is this correct
• red                 12 volt constant                          vehicle red 12 volt con in steering column
• black              chassis ground                         vehicle ground

   My Concerns are this . 

• battery drain.
• 7 flashes when trying to program for auto trans no result
• vehicle has no horn response when attempting to program at valet
• what else did i do wrong?

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Some corrections for H3...

H3/1  PINK  IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT                                                                                      Pink
H3/2  RED / WHITE  (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87                           Red
H3/3  ORANGE ACCESSORY OUTPUT                                                                                        Orange
H3/4  VIOLET  STARTER OUTPUT                                                                                                Yellow
H3/5  RED  (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT                                                                         Red
H3/6  PINK/WHITE  (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT 30                                               White
H3/7  PINK/BLACK  FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY            N.U.
H3/8  RED / BLACK  (+) FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT                                   Red

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  Ok , I will start with those changes. I can't believe I was so far off on those connections !

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More updates...

H1/3  BROWN  (-) HORN OUTPUT   Test with DMM - could be BLACK / YELLOW

H1/8  GREEN  (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT   -  necessary to program Viper.  See Note 3 - ( Could use XK01 Pin 4 Violet/White: (-) Door Sense Trigger Output ) 
NOTE *3 This vehicle use (2) door pin triggers, the DRIVERS DOOR is a GREY/BLACK (-)
at the DRIVERS DOOR module in the DRIVERS DOOR. The PASSENGER DOOR is a BLACK/ WHITE (-)
at the PASSENGERS DOOR module in the PASSENGERS DOOR. The DRIVERS REAR DOOR is a
LIGHT BLUE/BLACK (-) Pin A3 and the PASSENGERS REAR DOOR is a LIGHT GREEN/ BLACK (-) Pin A2,
both are located at the BCM, PURPLE plug. When connecting to an ALARM SYSTEM, use all 4 Door
Trigger wires and DIODE ISOLATE. to connect, See DIAGRAM

Remote start auxiliary output, 5-pin
1  PINK/WHITE  (-) 200mA FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT
2  ORANGE  (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT
3  VIOLET  (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT
4  PINK  (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT
5  BLUE  (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT  -  This wire goes to XK01 Brown wire GWR signal ( not GWA )

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kreg nailed it.....  GWA will keep your XK01 active all the time when doors locked.... not good.....

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  ok im on it now, ive changed over all of our first connections, and now going to work on the others. the door triggers are needed you say? that will probly take alittle while to get into that.

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THANK YOU

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One Othe Thing .

Ground when armed H1/12 is not needed ?correct?

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My personal opinion is that the XK01 is not desirable in these vehicles (GM trucks), and the support from the manufacturer is nil... scratch that. The support from the manufacturer is something like "Oh well, it works on other vehicles, so we don't care".

I struggled with an XK01 on my 06 chevy, and eventually dumped it for an INTSL (I think it might actually be a GMADSL or something). Either way, punt the XK01 and find another bypass. Not do so early on cost me a set of batteries for my rig.

GWA not needed.

As for the door triggers, the 5301 isn't an alarm system, so all you need is the Drivers Door Trigger connected or you could use the XK01 Front Door Status Output, mentioned above, connected to the Viper.  No diodes, just th one wire.  This excerpt from page 37 of the 5301 Install Guide :

The Valet/Program switch, plugged into the blue port, is used for programming.
There is a basic sequence to remember whenever programming this unit: Door,
Key, Choose, Transmit and Release.

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ok all conections are made: I am still unable to get the (manual trans enabled switched) I have tried to program via valet button. should i buy a bitwriter? this is my personal vehicle . is there a spot for the

remote start 5 -pin

1.black /white -neutral saftey switch is to ground correxct?

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Yes, Neutral safety switch to chassis ground.

BitWriter is nice( easier & $80 more ) but you should be able to program via the remote.  Others have reported trying many times to get it accomplished.  Persistence pays off.  Follow the steps listed in the Install Guide.

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 Kreg thank you for bearing with me.

I do have one other question . when I added   H3/7 pink/black to Vehicle red and H3/8 RED / balck to vehicle red

   do i cut the wire to have H3/7 on the key side of the red wire and H3/8 RED / black on the vehicle side?

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H3/7 is N.U.   not used , don't connect - just insulate.

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H3/7 should NOT be connected to vehicle red. Should not be needed at all as posted in the second posting.  RED / White,  Red,  and RED / Black are all 12 volts into the brain.

Also make sure you plug in the ON/OFF toggle switch and have it in the on position.

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  My Mistake in my message

I did NOT connect H3/7 to red it is N/U

My issues are as follows. NO START only flashes.

Are their any wires in the ignition that should be cut. Is there a passlock wire, a starter wire I dont know. I thought I had a pretty good grip on this but I am now determined ,even while sleeping, to figure this out. WHAT AM I DOING WRONG, besides not paying one of you very knowlegable technitions to install this. But now its to late,any installer with a bit of sense wouldnt touch this now.

ALL of your input here is greatly appreciated. One other thing,the data wire that came with the XK01 is not used right. I did the (W2W) install.

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No cut wires in ignition harness, just solder on the Vipers H3 wires to the correct ones.

How many flashes?   7 flashes means it is still in Manual Trans Mode.  Were you able to change the programming over to Auto Trans and Tach Mode?

Did you do a successful Tach Learn ( if in Tach Mode )?

Did you get the XK01 to program?  Does the Lock & Unlock work from the Viper?

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Yes the tach mode has been set as far as I can tell

I stil have yet to get any horn sound when attempting to program the (man tran enable) I do see 3 flashes on the valet when holding it down and assume that would be the 3rd beep,no?

I do believe the XK01 has been programed acordingly, on install solid light,key on flashes 4 times, hold button to save ,then it flashes a few times,an then turn truck on as it says for gm vehicles.

lock and unlock work. no horn disable though. there is an orange wire on the XK01 that says if unable to disarm connect . havent done that yet.

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Make sure you either connect the toggle switch, or cut the toggle switch off and join the two wires together. Also make sure you either ground the small BLACK/ white neutral safety wire, or connect it to youre neutral safety wire.

So what happens when you press remote start on Viper FOB?  Dash illumination, security light errors, cranking, Viper LED, etc. 

 

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when I press remote start,  remote red light comes on by the button for remote start with a beep sound . then a few seconds later 7 flashes parking lights, and interior also. no other sounds from the RS System,nothing

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By interior, are you meaning the dash lights??  Seven flashes is still in manual transmission mode. Need to get to Menu3, Item 1, Option 2.

Do you mean a red LED by the F button, not the remote start button??

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just to be sure Kreg , nothing ive connected required 1amp diodes right?

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Yes dash lights.

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Still in Manual Transmission Mode.    Did you connect Viper H1/8 (-) Door Trigger to either the XK01 Violet/White or the trucks driver door trigger?   

Keep trying to change the Vipers programming, Menu 3, Menu Item 1 to option 2. 

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Red by the F button

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Here is method from another thread :

Door pins need to be connected because the brain needs to see the door open, then turn ignition on the back off, press the switch until you hear 3 chirps, then release the button then press again and hold, you'll hear 1 chirp...while holding down the switch, press the unlock button on the remote, you'll hear 2 chirps that confirms automatic mode...release the switch and wait 5 to 15 seconds until you hear a long chirp, it mean that you have exited the program mode.  You're done.  Good luck.

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Kreg,

I don't believe the H1/8 needs to be connected for programing on the 5301 as it does on a 5701.  I think just the ignition needs to be connected to get into the menus. 

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Nope the door trigger, along with the constant/accessory/ignition wires needs to be connected in order to get to the menus, and the horn if you would like audible confirmation that you are in the menus.

kreg357 wrote:

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Still in Manual Transmission Mode.    Did you connect Viper H1/8 (-) Door Trigger to either the XK01 Violet/White or the trucks driver door trigger?   

Keep trying to change the Vipers programming, Menu 3, Menu Item 1 to option 2. 

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door trigger is to the XK01 violet/white

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crisafi75 wrote:

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kreg357 wrote:

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Still in Manual Transmission Mode.    Did you connect Viper H1/8 (-) Door Trigger to either the XK01 Violet/White or the trucks driver door trigger?   

Keep trying to change the Vipers programming, Menu 3, Menu Item 1 to option 2. 

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door trigger is to the XK01 violet/white

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main problem with programing is (no beep ) from car to tell me when im in menu options

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Find the trucks horn wire or connect a LED test probe to the Vipers (-) Horn Output, or connect the Vipers (-) Horn Output temporarily to a spare relay Pin 85 and run Pin 86 to +12v for the audible (or visual) confirmation....

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kreg357 wrote:

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Find the trucks horn wire or connect a LED test probe to the Vipers (-) Horn Output, or connect the Vipers (-) Horn Output temporarily to a spare relay Pin 85 and run Pin 86 to +12v for the audible (or visual) confirmation....

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OK will do, just need to get that message when attempting to program,

Hey thanks to you and all you all for helping me in this time of need. I try to do the same whenever possible.

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Update: I wish their were better news, not able to program this out of Manual Trans anabled mode. I am wondering if the unit is bad,Viper Or XK01.

Last resort is buying a Bitwriter off ebay i guess.

Thanks for all the help

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Did you get the horn hooked up?  Do you get any flashes from the blue LED?

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yes hooked up a relay that gives a response. the blue led does wor but I am reading the programing instructions correct. door open,get in key on, hold valet,blinks 1 time release and then hold til 3rd beep, press and hold unlock on key pad, release valet turn key on then off.

try to rremote start 7 flashes from parking lights.

door locks work,I dont know im a mess

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Turn key on then off   ...press AND HOLD valet button until you get 3 horn honks and three flashes of LED,    release the button and then press and release 1 time,  t hen press and hold,  you should get 1 horn honk and one flash,   press the unlock button. That should get you automatic mode.  Release the Valet Button and wait about 30 seconds the unit should exit the programming setup. 

It might take a few time to get. Takes a bit of practice and paitence.

Give it a try.

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smokeman1 wrote:

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Turn key on then off   ...press AND HOLD valet button until you get 3 horn honks and three flashes of LED,    release the button and then press and release 1 time,  t hen press and hold,  you should get 1 horn honk and one flash,   press the unlock button. That should get you automatic mode.  Release the Valet Button and wait about 30 seconds the unit should exit the programming setup. 

It might take a few time to get. Takes a bit of practice and paitence.

Give it a try.

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PRACTICE MADE PERFECT !!

Well we got contact, BUT runs for 5 seconds then shuts off, restarts and again 5 seconds then shuts down then 1 more time.

Is this a programing function? WOW I will sleep tonite just having this thing start!

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Try putting a key in the ignition, do not turn the key, try to remote start.  see if it stays running.

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smokeman1 wrote:

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Try putting a key in the ignition, do not turn the key, try to remote start.  see if it stays running.

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NO does not stay running.

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I don't know what you have for tach setting, Virtual, Voltage, Off, or Tachometer.  Try starting the truck with the key, within 5 seconds  Press and HOLD the Valet button, If after 3 seconds of holding the button the LED lights up solid, you are in Tachometer mode and tach is learned.  Release button, turn off truck remove key, try to remote start.

If you have to change the setting for tach, it is the same procedure as MANUAL to AUTOMATIC except it will be press two times after the intial three horn honks. Then press the unlock button, exit the program (30 second wait)  and try remote start.  There are four options for TACH (Virtual, Voltage, OFF, and Tachometer), so you may have to try the remote start and the tach learn for each attempt.  This is where a Bitwriter is handy.

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Do you have the Install manual for the unit??  It makes understanding the Menu's and features easier.  It is download for it in the doenload section of this web site.

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 Yes but still trying to debug the issue, possibly a tach issue. May try to virtual tach program in the morning. if not i will continue the fight. Thanks For Your Input.

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I went out to my car that has a 5301 in it, (2000 Taurus)  and when you get to the menu 3, option 2 for the TACH setting, you can hold the valet button down, and the remote lock/unlock will cycle through each setting and give you a 1, 2, 3, or 4 horn honks to verify which mode  you are in.

Also on mine I had to move the tach thershold jumper on the brain to pick up the tach wire signal. Page 35 of the install guide. 

Hope you get it going today.

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Well I got the tach to learn, but the truck was warm when I programed it. I then remote started and it stayed running. 

I will try in alittle while when it cools, does anyone think theres a common soulution?

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 Alls well with the unit , today did notice unlock wouldnt work a couple times. But in the morning I am looking into that. So far the RS has operated fine throughout the day. I am truly grateful for the advice ive gotten and learned alot. BUT, there's always a but...

I was not thinking while testing the brown wire behind my headlight switch and shorted out all of my Headlight switch, 4X4 switch,cluster,and climate control, and stering wheel lights !AHHHHHH Im so inpatient and really think I could be introuble on this one.switches function thankfully but NO LIGHTS. So far I checked every fuse and they are all good. I do not know yet if I fried all the bulbs or what. Any input on this. If not I should probably start another thread.

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2003 GMC Yukon 5.3 Gas 4wd SLT

I was Testing a brown wire behind my headlight switch and shorted it out. ALL bulbs in all switches are out,cluster backlights,climate control backlights,4wd lights at the switch ect..

The switches work,the cluster lights work except backlighting,climate control works except backlighting, steering wheel buttons all work except lights ect,ect.

I tested all my fuses, driver side panel and under the hood, Nothing blown, What did i do?

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crisafi75 wrote:

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2003 GMC Yukon 5.3 Gas 4wd SLT

I was Testing a brown wire behind my headlight switch and shorted it out. ALL bulbs in all switches are out,cluster backlights,climate control backlights,4wd lights at the switch ect..

The switches work,the cluster lights work except backlighting,climate control works except backlighting, steering wheel buttons all work except lights ect,ect.

I tested all my fuses, driver side panel and under the hood, Nothing blown, What did i do?

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How exactly were you "testing"...

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 Rookie. meter was set on DC I believe and there was a short ,tiny spark, I screwed up. I need to slow down. Now not sure if im soldering bulbs for the next couple days,

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