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Topic: viper 4103 on manual trans

Posted By: equate
Subject: viper 4103 on manual trans
Date Posted: December 06, 2010 at 9:00 PM

I have question about Viper 4103 install on manual trans.
Regarding the neutral safety switch. I see one wire from switch to parking/neutral position, one wire is going to main brain. Is there a wire in car ready for that? If yes, is the wire under the cover of shift? If no, how to make this connection?

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Posted By: zerepdivad
Date Posted: December 06, 2010 at 9:13 PM
you can go to the vehicles actual neutral safety switch on the trans. otherwise buy a unit made for it before your car jumps possibly killing a little kid....!

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Posted By: equate
Date Posted: December 06, 2010 at 10:01 PM
thanks, where is the neutral safety switch located usally?




Posted By: zerepdivad
Date Posted: December 06, 2010 at 10:02 PM
on the transmission.

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Posted By: equate
Date Posted: December 07, 2010 at 3:50 AM
Is it under cover of shift? Sorry that I dont know much of mechanical but electronincs.




Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: December 08, 2010 at 3:52 PM
4103 is not a manual transmission model..... you need to go to a 5101

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Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: December 09, 2010 at 1:49 AM

kgerry wrote:

4103 is not a manual transmission model..... you need to go to a 5101

and... THERE YOU HAVE IT GENTS !

Well said kgerry



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Posted By: equate
Date Posted: December 14, 2010 at 10:42 PM
kgerry wrote:

4103 is not a manual transmission model..... you need to go to a 5101


Isn't this safe switch for maunal trans?




Posted By: blanx218
Date Posted: December 14, 2010 at 11:03 PM
It is not. its a safety confirmation that an automatic transmission is in park




Posted By: equate
Date Posted: December 15, 2010 at 12:14 PM
blanx218 wrote:

It is not. its a safety confirmation that an automatic transmission is in park

You said it is confirmation in park...why isn't it safe?




Posted By: blanx218
Date Posted: December 15, 2010 at 12:57 PM
What do u mean why isn't it safe? The neutral safety wire is a way the remote start knows its safe to start. Most installers just ground that wire. Or connect it to ground thru a toggle switch. The remote start you have IS NOT meant for a manual transmission plain and simple. You are taking a risk by installing it on that car and adding alot of work for yourself. You can get a unit that has manual transmission capabilities and do it right but it's your call. You asked for insight and we are giving it to you




Posted By: equate
Date Posted: December 15, 2010 at 9:38 PM
blanx218 wrote:

What do u mean why isn't it safe? The neutral safety wire is a way the remote start knows its safe to start. Most installers just ground that wire. Or connect it to ground thru a toggle switch. The remote start you have IS NOT meant for a manual transmission plain and simple. You are taking a risk by installing it on that car and adding alot of work for yourself. You can get a unit that has manual transmission capabilities and do it right but it's your call. You asked for insight and we are giving it to you



As the diagram shown on first post, if gear is not on park/neutral(means no ground on switch), how can it start? So why isn't it safe?

Thanks blanx




Posted By: zerepdivad
Date Posted: December 15, 2010 at 11:21 PM
Well you COULD hook it up to the vehicles actual neutral safety switch. but obviously you aren't competent enough because you don't eve know where that would be located. So therefore you should go ahead and just buy a 5101 or better.

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A DMM is a beautiful thing.

MECP Advanced Installer Certified.




Posted By: equate
Date Posted: December 16, 2010 at 10:24 AM
zerepdivad wrote:

Well you COULD hook it up to the vehicles actual neutral safety switch. but obviously you aren't competent enough because you don't eve know where that would be located. So therefore you should go ahead and just buy a 5101 or better.


Is it difficut to locate the actual neutral switch?
Some vehicles equiped with cruise. During cruise, if in neutral, cruise will be canceled. There should be one wire detects neutral and goes to cruise control. Is it easy for those vehicles?




Posted By: zerepdivad
Date Posted: December 16, 2010 at 11:43 AM
those don't quite detect neutral but they detect the clutch being pressed.

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A DMM is a beautiful thing.

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Posted By: equate
Date Posted: December 16, 2010 at 2:07 PM
zerepdivad wrote:

those don't quite detect neutral but they detect the clutch being pressed.

I see some vehicles really have that switch.
likes pic below, also have actual switch let ECU knows it is neutral
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In those vehicles equiped with actuall neutral switch, I guess it is safe enough for 4103XV, because only neutral position pressed this switch seeing ground.
But I am not sure I am right...just get some info online about this.
Thanks for your help





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