viper 5701 jeep wrangler

I'm hoping someone might give me a little technical knowledge. I have recently installed a Viper 5701 alarm with remote start into my 2000 Jeep Wrangler. This is not my first alarm/remote start install, although I feel like it since i can't find the source of my problem. The alarm works great! I added door locks and they work great. Remote start does not work... It is a manual transmission. I follow the steps:

Make sure the doors on the vehicle are closed.

Put the transmission in neutral.

Press on the brake in the vehicle.

Apply the emergency brake.

Release the brake.

Within 15 seconds activate the remote start from the remote.

The parking lights will flash confirming that the remote start is active.

Turn off the ignition (the car should stay running when key is turned off).

Exit the vehicle.

Arm the alarm

and I get 7 park light flashes indicating:< size=1 face=OfficinaSans-Book>< size=1 face=OfficinaSans-Book>

Manual transmission mode is enabled and not initialized

I did do the "tach learn" sequence, and checked brake switch polarity (+ when applied) park brake/neutral safety (- when applied), and hood pin (resting at ground).

What am I missing? Any help would be great!

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r wolf

are you sure tach learned?  did you hook up door pin? did you connect ebrake? etc... etc....

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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979

The alarm is triggered when a door opens so I assume the pins are correctly wired and set up. I will double check though. I did the tach learn process a second time before making my original post. I did verify (as I originally posted) that the brake, Hood pin, and park brake/neutral safety wires were correctly hooked and voltages and polarity were correct.

I'm just sure what all the "manual mode initiated but not enabled" entails. That's a broad spectrum. I'm obviously overlooking something that is important.

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r wolf

are you sure it is programmed for manual tranny?    is the door pin a true door pin or dome light?  is that dome staying on still when you close the door and hit lock?

BTW, hood pin should be resting "open" not at ground.....

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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979

The dome is not staying on. I am using a (-) door trigger from the factory door pin. The install manual says it comes preset in manual transmission mode so no I did not verify.

You are correct and I misstyped, the Hood pin switch is resting at "open" my mistake... I did just recheck because I got to second guessing myself. Sorry for the wrong info there...

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r wolf

here is the wiring diagram i used

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r wolf

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r wolf

have you tried programming the unit for automatic and seeing if it remote starts?  (sit inside and leave it in neutral)

this will eliminate all the if's...clutch bypass, all circuits properly connected...etc etc

BTW, not sure if ity's a typo...but you need 12V on the Red and the RED / White primary wires as well as the RED / black.... if you are using the pink/white then all 3 primary powers need to be active (12V)

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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979

I will try reprogramming as auto and see what happens.

That IS how I hooked up. I got the schematic online... is the pink/white the one I need to use & hook the RED / white and red to 12+ or do you have another suggestion?

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r wolf

if it's being used as a 2nd ACC then the pink/white is right... it will have to programmed as an ACC and not an IGN tho.....  and the unit wont work without the red and RED / white powered as 12V.....

this is why i always test the unity first in auto mode to verify that the remote start functions are correct and working before i move on to the manual tranny features.. it allows me to work backwards if something isnt working......

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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979

Ok, that might be my problem! I will double check that tomorrow and see what I do and do not have hooked up.

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r wolf

Ok, I hooked the red and RED / white to 12+ and left everything else the same. I then switched to auto trans mode and tried the test again. This time I got 8 flashes of park lights indicating no, or bad, neutral safety ground. I rechecked and have ground when park brake applied. I also tried the tach relearn again.

I'm still at a loss as to what's going on

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r wolf

The only thing I can offer is one thing I noticed when comparing your spreadsheet to mine (which I have yet to install!), so take it for what it's worth...

The H1/10-WHITE/ blue "(-) remote start / turbo timer activation input"; I know you don't need to worry abuot the turbo timer, but the manual says:

"This input comes from the factory set to 1 activation pulse. This means that it is necessary to have a single ground pulse on the WHITE/ blue wire for the remote start to activate or deactivate."

Your spreadsheet shows this as unconnected. Is this required to be hooked up? And if so, to what? Makes it sound like it won't activate without it...maybe that's your trouble?

Good luck,

Thanks. I got you your pm and I will get back to you shortly on it. Everything seems to be working properly except I'm getting a code for no ground on neutral safety. Gotta figure that out. Going to try to ground the wire directly bypassing the switch totally and see if that does it. When I probe the wire I noted, sometimes it shows ground without the parking brake applied. That can't be right. So I think my problem is in my Jeep. I'll let you know though.

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r wolf

I'm still meeting help if anyone can give me a hand. I hooked the white blue trace wire to ground. I tried to start.8 flashes of park light indicating a ground ptoblem. I then switch to automatic mode eliminating the possibility of something wrong with manual mode. I still get eight flashes. When I disconnect the white with blue wire from ground and the black with white wire from the emergency brake switch they both test for ground, an indication they grounding through the module itself. is this my problem?

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r wolf

got it and i feel like an idiot. I double checked every wire and programming function I could think of... except... didn't double check to make sure the toggle switch was still plugged in. It wasn't. plugged it in and all is right with the world!

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r wolf

		Primary Harness (H1) 12 Pin Connector
H1/1	RED / White
H1/2	Red	(+) 12 volt constant input	constant 12 volts	Pink/Black Red	Ignition Switch Harness
H1/3	Brown	(+) siren output	siren
H1/4	WHITE/ Brown
H1/5	Black	(-) chassis ground	chassis ground
H1/6	Violet
H1/7	Blue
H1/8	Green	(-) door trigger input	door triger (-)	Yellow	Headlight Switch
H1/9	BLACK/ White
H1/10	WHITE/ Blue
H1/11	White	parking light output	park lamp	BLACK / YELLOW	Headlight Switch
H1/12	Orange
		Heavy Gauge (H3) 10 Pin Connector
H3/1	Pink	(+) ignition 1 input/output	iginition 12 volts	Blue	Ignition Switch Harness
H3/2	RED / White	(+) fused 30a ignition 2	constant 12 volts		Ignition Switch Harness
H3/3	Orange	(+) accessory input	accessory	BLACK/ D Green	Ignition Switch Harness
H3/4	Violet	(+) starter output (car side of the starter kill)	starter	Yellow/Red (starter side)	Ignition Switch Harness
H3/5	Green	(+) starter input (key side of the starter kill)	starter	Yellow/Red (switch side)	Ignition Switch Harness
H3/6	Red	(+) fused 30a ignition 1 input	constant 12 volts		Ignition Switch Harness
H3/7	Pink/White	(+) ignition 2 fles relay output	accessory (a/c)	BLACK/ Orange	Ignition Switch Harness
H3/8	Pink/Black	(+) flex relay input
H3/9	RED / Black	(+) fused accessory/starter input	constant 12 volts		Ignition Switch Harness
H3/10	NC
		Remote Start Input 5 Pin Connector
1	BLACK/ White	(-) neutral safety switch input	E Brake	Gray/Black (-)	Drivers Kick Panel
2	Violet/White	tachometer input wire	Tach Signal	Tan/White	Cam Position Sensor
3	Brown	(+) brake shutdown input	Brake Light	WHITE/ Tan (+)	Brake Light Switch
4	Gray	(-) hood pin switch input	Hood Switch		Hood Pin
5	Blue/White	(-) rear defogger output	rear defog sens	Dark Blue/Light Green	Rear Defrost Switch

A few things to note:

1: I am running other accessories on my Jeep and have added a fuse block where I added my heavy gauge 12 volt constant connections

2: you do not have to hook the pink wires as I have. I used them so the remote start would also power the radio.

3: major note: do not forget to double check that the toggle switch is plugged in!!!

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r wolf