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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: April 29, 2024 at 6:46 AM


Topic: what security to sell

Posted By: allen101
Subject: what security to sell
Date Posted: December 20, 2010 at 9:41 AM

I have installed alarms since 1996 in Houston. I installed mainly code alarm and clifford, but I have also installed prestige, alpine and viper. In 2004 I stopped full- time installing to go into the Home Theater business. Now I moved back home and nobody installs alarms in 50 square miles. I will be installing for Dealerships, Automotive repair shops and the Public. Since I have been out of the full-time alarm installing business for 6 years. Im looking for suggestions from everyone here.  I need an alarm that is reliable, installer friendly, good tech support, also something a dealership would except and popular with the regular consumer. I will have to buy wholesale for now but  just " maybe "  become an authorized dealer for one day. Thank you so much for taking the time to read my post and helping me find an alarm to sell and install.  



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Posted By: cjanke
Date Posted: December 20, 2010 at 8:31 PM
code alarm and prestige paired with the flashlogic bypass modules and you cant go wrong. great price points, great features for the money. lets face it we are all in buisness to make money make the most you can. there are going to a bunch of people saying dei but there are far better values out there and are just as reliable if not more. the flashlogic/ idatalink bypass modules are second to none. way better than anything dei has to offer.




Posted By: godd dan it
Date Posted: December 21, 2010 at 1:44 AM
I agree with cjanke. Omega might be another one to add to the list. I think they work pretty good....not too many problems with them. Some of their remotes might not be so appealing compared to other brands, so it all depends on what you plan on using. I would use their alarm and remote starter upgrade systems though.

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Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: December 21, 2010 at 7:29 AM

cleanest way to install/setup is the compustar and idatalink blade.

has every solution possible, but since you been out the install game for awhile, have you understood bypasses and new data/can vehicles?



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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert




Posted By: zerepdivad
Date Posted: December 21, 2010 at 10:53 PM
I'd go DEI personally. Everyones heard of Viper. quality is good In My Opinion.

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Posted By: allen101
Date Posted: December 25, 2010 at 11:01 AM

Thank you guys so much for your suggestions. When I decide on a company to go with. I will try to sell and install systems from that company only and the bypass modules that they use for their systems. The next step for me, would be to get in touch with that company or a local rep for them. Hopefully ( with fingers crossed ) I can become an Authorized dealer or suggest an authorized wholesaler.  One feature i do miss, is being able to call a Tech Department on the phone for an emergency installation problem.

Cjanke- Thank you again, I have always been a fan of Code alarm. The other day I installed an APS787c from Prestige and a pkfm from xpresskit. The alarm worked great, easy to install but I have 2 complaints. The antenna/led/valet switch all in one location and the programming features what a mess.

tedmond-  Thank you again, I have'nt had the privilege yet to install a Compustar. I have only heard good things about their systems. The only dealer is 50 miles away from me. So hopefully they will be easier to deal with than Audiovox. I have installed a few bypass modules W2W from xpresskit but i have not tried the data-link port or D2D. I will definitely start once Im back in the game full-speed and educate myself. I have yet to install a Canbus module, I do know this module isn't necessary to install an aftermarket alarm, I can wire in all the circuits individually using relays and diodes and whatever other complexity is necessary in order to get all the features working (door locks, pin switches, hatch release, etc). However, if I do use the canbus module, most of the circuits I need are provided so I don't have to go tapping wires everywhere in the car and splicing in relays, diodes, etc. I have read this module will be harder to troubleshoot as it uses digital CAN comms that can't be tested in any way, shape, or form.  With a standard alarm system install I can test each individual digital input/output for functionality.

zerepdivad- Thank you again, viper is another great alarm. They are easy to install, awesome reliability, everyone has heard of them. I like their tech department alot but I think I can only use it if Im an authorized dealer. They also would like authorized dealers to install their systems, unless you know otherwise. I dont do enough business to be a Viper authorized dealer





Posted By: cjanke
Date Posted: December 25, 2010 at 8:18 PM
So what company did you go with? Yes the programming for audiovox SUCKS. That is one of the reasons I went with code instead, the programming was way easier. Other than that the audiovox units are very feature pack for the money.




Posted By: godd dan it
Date Posted: December 25, 2010 at 8:29 PM
I think its easy to program Audiovox units. Takes a little getting used to tho.

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Posted By: Twelvoltz
Date Posted: December 26, 2010 at 7:13 AM
DEI, Audiovox/Code-Alarm, Compustar...if you have been in the business for a while you will know that the main "quality" difference in these brands is almost always the "quality" of the installation, NOT the product itself.

DEI is a PITA if you are not an authorized dealer. You will get no support from them what so ever if you are not authorized.

I can not speak for Compustar as I have only installed a hand full of their products, they have all worked flawlessly but I find DEI to be easier.

Audiovox can be a pain to program, but once you get used to their 'logic' it becomes much simpler. What's nice about Audiovox is they offer their entire wiring database to anyone who wants to use it for free. Click here to see their site, and register. No other big-company offers this to my knowledge.


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Installer, IT support, and FFL. I need less hobbies.




Posted By: cjanke
Date Posted: December 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Once i got used to the progeamming it was pretty  easy. What confused me at first was the parking lights  flashing  as you are changing options and it means nothing you have to watch the led flashes. Once I got used to that it was easy. I still like code better even though they are almost the same as audiovox.





Posted By: tommy...
Date Posted: December 26, 2010 at 6:27 PM
The Valet button on the Antenna is a GREAT feature...Need to program a  remote...10 seconds...Need to change some programmable features(activation count,crank time,etc,,,)...10 seconds...Code is solid...They seem to have antenna issues through all their lines(example the 4050,5050,aps901,but sent replacement antennas right away). Dont have to drop a dash(if valet button wasnt mounted)...Also works as a visual deterrent(L.E.D. flashing on remote starts)...Takes a little time off the install by NOT mounting valet and L.E.D. Also easier for customers that actually use the valet feature...Just a few thoughts...

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Posted By: cjanke
Date Posted: December 27, 2010 at 8:37 PM
What's up "tommy" how is buisness going? What are you guys using for r/s security these days.




Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: December 28, 2010 at 12:47 AM

just reading the additional posts, and i agree that dei is not the system you want to stock to get most bang for your buck. There are many companies offering amazing products. Its ultimatly what you feel comfortable installing, and if you need to make changes, how long does it take.

For myself i use compustar with either idatalink blade OR fortin bypasses. Often i go more the fortin bypass because it is much more cost effective for me. I sometimes have to use idata because a vehicle platform isnt supported by fortin.

With that being said, compustar is on the steep side for a 2way system. I have done dei products befor (viper and python mainly, and a few cliffords) but i found programming to be hard, the design of the wiring (xcrs) and cables plugging in from all 4 sides of the brain was messy for me when installing- when compared to compustar, since i have the usb adapter, all changes can be done to the brain and the firmware can also be updated for better support/bug fixes (if any)

Remember, this is just my opinion. cheers !



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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert




Posted By: ccbuick04
Date Posted: December 28, 2010 at 6:57 AM
boy do i ever agree on the wires  coming out of all directions. It just sucks




Posted By: allen101
Date Posted: December 28, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Boy I can't believe how much help I have received from everyone here. Y'all are a great help, more than I could have ever imagined.  Also a unbelievable encouragement to start installing full-time again, Thank you thank you. What can I do about dealerships that want to upgrade the factory Key-Fob only or a Key-Fob with the company logo on it ( honda, ford, ect.) ?

Cjanke-   I have'nt decided on a company yet, but I do know it will be prestige/code or compustar. Yes the programming sucks, but I won't let that stop me from selling or installing prestige. I will have the programming down after a couple more installs. Thanks for the programming tip too.

Twelvoltz-  I installed my alarms and remote starts as if you or another installer were going to judge my install work. Now speed is not one of my strong points. The only way I see myself selling Dei,  is if they called me. I will have the programming down for Prestige once I install a few more.

Tommy- For now the only cool feature I see coming from the valet/led/antenna in one location, is the install time.

Tedmond- I will have to agree with you that Dei is not the product for me and I should install a product I feel comfortable with. Thanks for the Compustar suggestion and all the bypass modules you use but for now my decision is up in the air.





Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: December 29, 2010 at 2:26 AM

well many would use the dei add on starter, but really all companies offer a unit as a single button starter or has the feature for an activation input for "add on"

ultra start is also a very good company that makes full alarm/rs/start add on units. If you need more question about ultra start, ask Kregs. He installs quite a few ultra and compustar products.

here are my pro and cons about compustar(honest review)

pros:

1) all compustar brains utilize the same wiring, therefore you can upgrade the brain without having to do a whole new removal/install
2) updatable brain via usb for software changes, changes on the brain can be done electronicall (similar to a hand help bitwriter)
3) fully customizable unit for addition aux, outputs, etc
4) range is fantastic
5) only 3 brains to pick from either alarm(cm6300), Start (cm6200), alarm/start (cm6000)
6) remote kits are sold seperate from the brain to best suit your install.
For example if you want to add on a start, you can use the cm6200 without any remotes. this keeps dealers happy that do not want branding.
7 - knock pad if you forget your keys
8) idatalink blade makes install so clean and less cluttered

cons:

1)price is not as competitive as most companies on the market
2) the remote/antenna are sold as a package, seperate from the brain. This is good (reason number 6 in pros) and also bad because you wont know what remotes to stock to best suit your customers.
3) pit stop mode has a 4 second delay (not huge but i wonder why it cant be instant like most of the leading companies)
4) idatalink modules are pricey, but damn they work well.
5) no custom changes to the brain can be done without a compustar OP500 programmer OR iDataLink ADS-USB



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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert





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