2002 mdx, viper 5301 remote start

I recently install a Directed Electronics Remote Start Kit on my 2002 MDX and have some questions:

1. After activating the remote start with the car running the key fob will not unlock the doors.  Is this normal?  Door must be unlocked with the key.I did not wire the alarm disable as everything was working without the wire and the alarm did not go off when I activated the remote start.

2. I wired the parking like option to the RED / yellow (-) wire on the steering column. The parking light option works except that when the system is running the dash lights and navigation flash brighter also.Is this normal? Will this eventually damage my navigation unit?

3. After all the wiring was complete and before I zip tie mounted the remote start unit and bypass under the dash, the unit would activate if I bumped or pushed on parts of the wiring harness. I am sure all my wiring, including the ground are solid and secure. The system has not malfunctioned since.

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handymandan

1. Your factory remotes will not function with the ignition on. What model system did you install? Most have the ability to unlock the doors with the remote start running.

2. With the vehicle running using your key, turn the parking lights on and off...you should see the same behavior. This would indicate it is normal. I would turn off the flashing parking lights when running, change the programming to constant parking lights while running. It just looks silly IMO to have them flash while the vehicle is running. DEI apparently agreed because their newer units come preset to be on solid, not flashing like they used to be.

3. Something had to be lose or the activation input wire was not insulated and hit ground. Make sure all unused connections are well insulated and all of your harnesses are plugged in all the way.

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Thanks for the response.

I have the ready remote Basic Remote Car Starter.

I do not think I have the keyless entry option?

I also do not see an option to program for constant parking lights, unless this something not in the manual/

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handymandan

Lastly now the car alarm activates when I remote start the vehicle, which it was not doing the day I finished the install!!  I did not wire the alarm disable.

I assume I need to wire this?  Where can this wire be found and is it easily get to?

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handymandan

Ready Remote probably wont have a option to unlock. Disarm should be orange in the passenger side fusebox. Hope this helped.

I recently installed a ready remote starter system in my 2002 MDX. Lost the remote so am now purchasing a reconditioned vipor 5301. I used the 556HW on the old install. I assume an immobilizer is still needed and can I still use the 556HW with the new 5301 system?

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handymandan

Absolutely!   Just cut the +12v (Red), ground (Black) and  (-) Ground In (Blue/White) wires and connect to the new Viper.

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Thanks for the feedback before.

I am finially puttig this in now the weather is better.  Need some wire connection help on the Viper 5301 on my 2002 MDX.

1.  Where does the blue/white bypass wire connect to on the viper

2.  Do I need to use the dome light connection option if so where to I make this connection

3.  Where do I make the factory alarm disable connection.

Actually to add further to the above if there is a complete wire guide for this intall that would help me out greatly.

Thanks,

1.)  The bypass module Blue/White connects to the BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT of the Viper.

2.)  Dome light supervision is probably not necessary.  Do the dome lights come on when you unlock the car with
       the factory FOB?  If yes, then you won't need it.

3.)  Here is a link to DEI Ready Remote Wire Guide : 
       https://www.readyremote.com/main.asp?action=select&yr=3562&product=Remote Start&make=Acura&model=MDX

For the door locks and alarm disarm you will have to run wires into the doors and make your connection there.

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Thanks,  I have the diagram for the ReadyRemote, the 5301 is a bit thougher.

So probably no dome light connection needed.

Do you recommend using the door trigger connection?

I am using the passenger side panel lock and unlock for the arm/disarm as noted on a few posts here.  Would agree with this?  Will it work as well?  Was much easier to find these connections.

Yes, the Viper units are designed towards the professional installers and are more complex.  Here is a link to the 5301 Install guide in the Downloads section  :  https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/file.asp?ID=832

Read it several times and then do a search on anything that isn't explained well, as it was probably asked and answered already.

There are many places / wires that a particular signal can be found and used to achieve a good working install.  The guides are usually a good starting point but all wires should be verified with a Digital Multi Meter before any connections made.

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Yes I have all the diagrams and install manual.  Have poured through these the last day and a half. 

I have the unit installed now but the remote start comes back with a neutrul switch error #8.  I checked and redid the chassis ground with no luck.  I am wondering since this a refurb unit if I purchased a faulty brain unit.

I am in automatic mode for the transmission.

I am sure there are maybe 1-2 wires I need to correct.  For example the horn function is not working and I did not connect the door trigger.

Short of going to an installer can you offer any suggestions.

Check the BLACK/ White (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY SWITCH INPUT wire.  That should be connected to either chassis ground, (-) Parking
Brake signal or an actual (-) transmission neutral vehicle wire.  For test purposes just connect directly to chassis ground and try a remote
start.

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That is exactly what I did according to the install manual for automatic transmission vehicles.  However the error still occurs.  I am using one chassis ground for all ground wires on the install.  I drilled a hole below the driver side fuse box, sanded to bare metal and used a self tapping screw.  That is the problem and why I wonder if the unit is faulty.

Would there be any support from DEI?

Is there a Neutral Safety ON/OFF switch?  That should be set to ON.  Or you could jump a good ground right at the contact of the BLACK/ White wire at the connector to the Viper itself.  DEI tech support is worth a try but they might suggest you return to the seller of the unit for service / repair / replacement.  Standard policy is no warranty unless the unit is installed by an authorized dealer.

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Finally figured it out.  In the actually user manual an error 8 could be the neutral switch or the kill switch, which I had not installed.  After I put this in the system works beautifully.

My only problem now is find the horn wire.  It is not the lt. blue/green wire in the steering column as all the diagrams indicate.  How would you locate the wire?

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handymandan

Found the horn wire.  It is a Blue/White wire in a four pin connector under the ignition!!  Not the blue/green.

Now I have another issue or two.

1.  Climate control does not turn on with Remote Start, only with key in on position.  Kind of defeats the purpose of remote start.

2.  Key will not shut off vehicle when moved to on position then to off after remote start.  Only if I hit brake will viper disengage.  Is this normal.

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handymandan

1.) Did you power both Accessory wires? Are they both getting power from the Viper during Remote Start?
     The Viper can support the ACC2 wire using the Flex relay and programming. Did you connect H3/2, H3/5
     and H3/8 to +12v constant?

ACCESSORY /HEATER BLOWER 1       YELLOW (+)                 @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
ACCESSORY /HEATER BLOWER 2       BLUE/WHITE (+)         @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS

2.) After remote start you must do a "key take over" by inserting the key, turning to RUN and depressing the brake.
     Then the car is off the remote starter and should shut down when you remove the key.

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Yes I figured this one out after I sent the post.  The yellow wire is acc 2 not ignition 2.  This is not called out anywhere that I looked.  Easy fix.

My last issue (ya right!) is that I just went and unlocked the doors and the factory alarm went off!  I had to run back in the house for the factory remote to shut it off!  The viper remote would not deactivate this.

I anticipate that becuase I only used the lock/unlock connections on the passenger side fuse box and not the connection in the driver door my factory alarm is not being disabled with the viper remote.  However I could not easily find a matching wire to what I researched for this door connection.  I did not see wires comming from the door key cylinder. 

Any last words of wisdom for my hopefully last post?

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handymandan

Some info on the Disarm wire from DEI :

Factory Alarm Disarm      blue (driver door key cylinder)  -       power window master switch, lt. blue plug, pin 16

On some models, can also use Orange (-) at the passenger fuse box,
20 pin plug, pin 7. If this pin is empty, you can also insert a pin.

This info on the Factory Alarm Disarm from Bulldog Security :

FACTORY ALARM DISARM     BLACK/ RED to BLUE (-)                      LT. BLUE PLUG, PIN 16 @ DOOR MUX CONTROLLER, See NOTE #3
NOTE #3  The DOOR MUX CONTROLLER is part of the Power Window Switch in the Drivers Door,
                  TEST this wire while turning the Key in the Drivers Door key cylinder.

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I used the two connections in the passenger kick panel for lock and unlock.  All works well arm and disarm.  However if the car sits for a while the viper remote unlock will trip the alarm and the only way to shut it off is with the factory remote.

I have not tried going through the door but it looks like this is what I must do.

Has anyone else seen this issue. 

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handymandan