remote starter for 08 volvo xc70 risky?
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: remote starter for 08 volvo xc70 risky?
Posted By: p4runner
Subject: remote starter for 08 volvo xc70 risky?
Date Posted: January 07, 2011 at 9:08 PM
Did a internet search and it seems like well over half of people who had remote starters installed in their newer Volvo XC70 wagons had problems with them and were eventually removed (including the car engine dying when driving down the road). Most blamed the complex nature of the XC70 systems not liking the remote starters, but it's difficult to tell if this is a reality or just a few bad apples. Volvo dealer always recommended removal and against installing in the first place, but that's the dealer for you.
Anyone have any experience or thoughts on installing a remote starter in this car? If this is just stories I'm willing to give the install a try, but if there's validity, I'll pass.
Thanks in advance for any input.
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Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: January 07, 2011 at 9:25 PM
if installed properly and bypassed properly, it should be problem free.
remember a remote start mimics as if someone was turning a key in the ignition cylinder (or pts) so as mentioned if done correctly, no problems should arise.
------------- Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert
Posted By: yimke
Date Posted: January 07, 2011 at 9:26 PM
If you have a regular key that you turn the ignition, do it. No problem.
If you have the fob which you insert into the dash and push button to start, god bless your installer. lol Its not too bad but it does require the removal of the fob piece and soldering of the factory circuit board. If I were you I would ask for the best installer in the city and has AT LEAST MECP advanced/2 years of experience. That is probably where you are hearing the horror stories from. Newbie installers touching them and burning up the circuit board.
Posted By: p4runner
Date Posted: January 07, 2011 at 9:47 PM
Thanks for the replies. Yep, it's the rectangular fob that inserts into the dash and you press the button next to it to start. So that's the issue then...
Is there a specific type of bypass for this kind of car/fob set up? Any place I can read up on it?
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: January 07, 2011 at 10:22 PM
idatalink has a data module that will do pretty much all feature but the bypass itself.
------------- Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: January 07, 2011 at 10:23 PM
the fortin can-sl2 also works for this vehicle. i use can-sl2 units on lots of cars and they are very easy to install/program. ------------- Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert
Posted By: p4runner
Date Posted: January 07, 2011 at 10:29 PM
Thanks, I'll see what I can find out on those. Any specific model numbers, I'm planning to do the install myself and would appreciate anything I can read up on. Do they both require soldering on the PC board for the fob?
Posted By: p4runner
Date Posted: January 07, 2011 at 11:59 PM
Looked up the Fortin can-sl2 but it isn't capable of bypass. Is there a specific bypass module for the XC?
Posted By: p4runner
Date Posted: January 08, 2011 at 12:45 AM
Just looked up the iDataLink instructions for the ADS-ALOM-VO unit and saw what was involved with the soldering. But it seems this unit needs a key fob to be dedicated to the bypass unit. Is that the case with all the bypass units for this car?
https://www.idatalink.com/documents/install-guides?carMake=43&carYear=2008&vehicle_id=5508
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: January 08, 2011 at 8:33 AM
i dont think there is ANY immobilizer bypass available for this vehicle on the market. ------------- Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert
Posted By: p4runner
Date Posted: January 08, 2011 at 2:21 PM
tedmond wrote:
i dont think there is ANY immobilizer bypass available for this vehicle on the market.
From what I've read, some people have had success with remote starters in these cars, so there must be something that works?
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: January 08, 2011 at 3:10 PM
Just a "key wrap" with a working key. The iDatalink install guide shows this. This is the transponder bypass during remote start and is controlled by the iDatalink module. You could use a universal "key in the box" style, too. Like the DEI 556UW.
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Soldering is fun!
Posted By: p4runner
Date Posted: January 08, 2011 at 3:31 PM
Right, thought that was the case. Is there any bypass that will work that doesn't require a dedicated key?
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: January 08, 2011 at 5:52 PM
None that I am aware of. iDatalink, Fortin and DEI do not list any NKR solutions.
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Soldering is fun!
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: January 09, 2011 at 5:35 AM
And Ted's last comment also applies to all the latest Land Rover models with push button start plus the Euro Focus ST/RS because it's all the same system.
L/Rover Freelander
Volvo V50
Mazda 3
All Ford Focus.
The R/Rover Sport is a Re-branded Discovery.
If there's one available for the late Land Rovers it just
might work with the latest Volvos.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: p4runner
Date Posted: January 09, 2011 at 3:13 PM
Thanks for the replies. Thought there might be something like the Directed 1100x I used on our 4Runner a few weeks ago. These new units from companies like iDatalink seem pretty advanced, I don't know much about this, but it seems surprising they need a dedicated key given everything else they're capable of.
Is it the push button start feature that makes it difficult? Or the fob insertion mechanism in the dash?
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: January 09, 2011 at 5:40 PM
From the questions you asked in the last post could I respectfully suggest you don't try this at home?
Doing this is a quantum leap in difficulty from a no brainer like a Toyota.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: p4runner
Date Posted: January 09, 2011 at 6:29 PM
Don't try it because I asked what makes it so difficult for a manufacturer to produce a bypass unit for these types of applications that doesn't require a dedicated key?
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: January 09, 2011 at 6:40 PM
OK when the key is inserted an RF chip signals a processor to handshake with it via an encrypted RF network, this once it agrees sends DATA to a control unit.
The add on has to decrypt all of this as well as picking up info from the BCM HiLo CAN wires which instruct the vehicle to do certain things and self diagnose them such as start the engine,lock/unlock, lights, door triggers etc. This is why we have expensive add on units for the alarm and remote sections.
That's putting it simply into I hope lay language; the point is you just can't solder into these as they aren't 12volts, you will cause extremely expensive damage if you do. Basicly the vehicle will throw a DTC and possibly shut down.
It was your earlier comments about soldering that worried me.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: January 09, 2011 at 6:51 PM
Over her, its nearly 1:00a.m. I just looked at Fortin, Expresskit and Idatalink, the second two offer by-passes and convenience modules for your vehicle, my comments earlier apply to your first post, if you're unsure don't do it!
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: January 09, 2011 at 6:52 PM
Over her? Was that a Freudian slip? I meant over here of course.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: yimke
Date Posted: January 09, 2011 at 6:53 PM
The FL-CAN will do it, but again it does require a key and soldering onto the circuit board of the key insertion area. Flash-it and idatalink are very similar products. There is no current bypass out there that does the override through data.
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