2001 grand cherokee, viper 5101

ok wow here it is i'm installing a 5101 viper remote start/keyless entry system and im having nothing but problems figuring ot out. here it goes i have everything working including light flash/horn/door locks and pretty much anything to do with that side of the system now the remote start is whole other situation i can not figure it out this is the first viper remote start i have done ive done many others so i am by far new at this here is how i have everything hooked up so far

H3 harness                                                       ignition harness

pink   +  ignition 1 in/output                                 + dk blue IGNITION

RED / white  +  fused ign 2/flex relay input                + pink/black CONSTANT 12V

orange   +  acc output                                           + RED / black  ACCESSORY

violet   +  starter output                                          +   yellow STARTER

red    +  fused ign 1 input                                        +   pink/black CONSTANT 12V

pink/white  +  ign 2/flex relay output                         +  BLACK/ orange 2nd ACCESSORY

pink/black  +  flex relay input (keyside)                         EMPTY

RED / black  +  fused acc/starter input                         +  red CONSTANT 12V

now i get nothing but hearing the relays click in the alarm module no dash lights nothing i have  sentry bypass wired in also tried putting another key in the igniition i also have all saftey features wired as in brake shutdown and hood what am i doing wrong i am pulling my hair out iif someone can please help me i would greatly appreciate it

thank you all Jake

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Did you ground or connect thru a switch the BLACK/ white neutral safety wire?

yes i did

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does everything seem like its wired right

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To perform shutdown diagnostics:
1. With the ignition OFF, press and hold the Valet/Program switch
2. Turn the ignition ON and then back OFF while holding the Valet/Program switch.
3. Release the Valet/Program switch
4. Press and release the Valet/Program switch. The LED flashes on the con­trol center to report the last shutdown for one minute or until the ignition is turned on.

LED Flashes Shutdown Mode
1 Runtime expired
2 Over-rev shutdown
3 Low or no RPM
4 Transmitter shutdown (or optional push button)
5 (+) Brake shutdown
6 (-) Hood shutdown
7 Timer mode/Turbo mode/Manual mode error *
8 Neutral safety shutdown
9 Low battery (voltage mode)
10 -------------------------------------------------------
11 Wait-to-start input timed out

Wiring looks OK.   All wires should be verified with a Digital Multi Meter and then the connections should be soldered.

Any LED error flashes from the Viper?

You didn't mention anything about reservation mode, so assuming an auto trans.  Did you program the Viper to Automatic Transmission?

Did you connect the Neutral Safety wire and connect to chassis ground or the Parking Brake?  Is the Neutral Safety Switch ON? 

Did you connect a Tach wire?  If want to run  in Tach Mode you must change the Viper programming and then do a Tach Learn.

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yes to all of those things the only thing is i have to check the led flashes its so wierd i hear the relay clicking ion the module but nothing happens i dont understand it for the life of me

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one other thing i dont have the diagram in front of me i think its a blue/white wire it says in the installation guide that it needs a ground pulse to activate remote start and a constant ground after start for turbo timer does that  need to be grounded or what

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H1/10    WHITE/ BLUE(-)      REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER ACTIVATION INPUT    ( Page 18 in install guide for more info. )

Not needed unless you have a turbo ( for turbo cool down ) or want to initiate a remote start from an aftermarket alarm system.  Typically you will use the Viper remotes to start the vehicle.  Just insulate this wire.

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im almost thinking the module is bad because i am getting nothing i even tried testing all the wires while hitting the button an no kind of ouput im wso lost help plese

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Do you have a hood pin connected. It could be giving you this issue. If it were in manual trans. mode it would flash the parking lights 4 times. A relay click but no flashes or anything sounds like hood pin

yea i have the hoo pin conected buy i will chevk again

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Ok 12volt world i am back again i sm installing a viper 5101 on a 2001 grand cherokee and i am having nothing but problems first off i still cant figure out why the remote start is working but i have a couple of things i wanna try today so i will let you know how it turns out tonight now another thing i need help with is the parking lights how do i wire them up correctpy i havent attempted it yet but the way everything is going with this truck i wont be surprised if  it gives me a problem and last but not least i am currently in the middle of wiring the lock and unlock up it has factory keyless i originally tried usuing the 451m but got no where with it  so i scraped that idea and am just gpin to the realys but now i am having problems with them first off the lock re;ay is staying constantly energized and im gettting nothing from the unlock if anyone could help me out and tell me what wires go where and where they are located i would greatly appreciate it thanks a lot everyone

JAKE

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There has been some recent discussion about the 1999-2004 G.C. Parking Lights.  Try doing a search on that issue.  There are several ways to control the Parking Lights.  Here is the Bulldog Security method :  https://www.bulldogsecurity.com/diagrams/extrainfo/diagrams/14301_GRAND-CHEROKEE_GRAND%20CHEROKEE%20PARKING%20LIGHT%20DIAGRAM.pdf

The door locks are a pain in that vehicle.  Personally I would spend the money on a iDatalink ADS ALSL CH bypass module.  It will take care of the ignition transponder immobilizer, door locks, Factory alarm and provide a Brake, EBrake, door & trunk triggers and Tach signal.  Much easier.

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I have posted a couple other post on here and i wanna thank everyonne for tryijng to help i really think there is something wrong with the alarm module itself ive wired it every diffrent way possible tested eveery wire that could be tested nothing is working the 451m isnt working properly so i wired relays instead and im getting a constant ground out of the the lock wire from the module and as for the remote start i ran a diagnostic and got no where its giving me 7 flashes which is neautrak saftey turbo timer and mts all of that is done correctly and its still giving me that code all of this is on a 2001 grand cherokee anybody have any other kind of advice i would appreciate if not thank you for the help ive already recieved this website is very helpful

thank you 12 volt world

jake

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get a data module to take care of doorlocks, it saves so much time and headaches.  xpresskits or idatalink.  You can probably find a discontinued one on ebay for dirt cheap.  Or a new model for a little more dough.   If the viper is flashing the parking lights 7 times when you attempt to remote start then you need to get into the menu options and  change to auto trans mode.  If you do not have the manual it is available on the downloads section of this site.  I highly recommend reading the programming section thoroughly so you understand how and what. 

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X 2 with dasbogie here but to go a stage further have you tested the outputs from your R/S to see that the lock and unlocks are performing as advertised, also isn't this a resistive 1 wire system?
I've never ever seen a faulty 451.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

An 01 Grand Cherokee has the lock system that requires relays in the doors. Where did you connect your 451M and the relays you replaced it with? An Idata ADS AL-CA will take care of the immobilizer and locks and is easy to install

The 5101 comes in manual transmission mode and needs to be changed. did you change this? Im willing to bet that is your issue.

I agree, a single 451 won't work the locks on this truck. You need to install one in each front door, a real pita. Get a module, like the 455J. There's one on Ebay right now for 19 bucks...

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so the viper is in manual mode ill have to mess with that i have a constant negative coming out of alarm module as soon as i hook any relay up they click so something isnt right the doors in the truck are a pain in the ass i do realize you need seperate ones for each door but i cant even get one to work properly

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ok i just read something about my error code i have which is 7 flashes which means car is in manual transmission mode how do i take the alaram out of that mode

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Its in the feature programming menu 3. its the 1st option in that menu. follow the steps in the guide. it will walk you thru it