remote start does not stay running
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Topic: remote start does not stay running
Posted By: wmccue
Subject: remote start does not stay running
Date Posted: April 05, 2011 at 5:27 PM
Hello,
Recently installed a 5902 alarm with remote start in my 01 f-250. I am wondering what would cause my remote start to automatically shut off after 4 or five minutes of run time.
I am using the virtual tach setting and haven't had any problems untill recently. After a few minutes the truck will shut off then it will restart itself, it will run again and i will usually shut it off by then or take it out of remote start. My vehicle does not have a factory keyless entry, or a factory alarm system.
Some troubleshooting questions / ideas i have:
Will the wrong jumper settings do this? I believe they are vertical when the module is horizontal. Is there a bit writer setting that i may not have correct?
I have the remote start run time set for 30 min i have a 6 sec delay, starter release is at 150 milli sec it was at at 350 but i just bumped it down..
Not sure of what else to check?..... all my connections were soldered.... any one had this same issue? ------------- 2001 F-250 7.3l powerstroke diesel crew cab without keyless entry
Replies:
Posted By: chev104275
Date Posted: April 05, 2011 at 6:11 PM
I would run a tach wire. Much more reliable
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Posted By: syl20rochon
Date Posted: April 05, 2011 at 7:10 PM
On Ford vehicle, I often set the tach to off with a 1 sec crank time...this setting as often worked good for me on hundreds of Ford vehicle done....never add any come backs. Yes, tach is more stable but this setting above works beautifully. Good luck
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Posted By: blanx218
Date Posted: April 06, 2011 at 11:56 PM
you could always do shutdown diagnostics to see whats causing it to shutdown.
Posted By: wmccue
Date Posted: April 07, 2011 at 11:04 AM
chev104275 wrote:
I would run a tach wire. Much more reliable
You know I gave up on this....I just couldn't get a strong tach signal and get the module to learn the tach. I don't know how to do the injectors that everyone is talking about either, so have been dealing with the virtual tach, and finding out that it's not really that reliable. ------------- 2001 F-250 7.3l powerstroke diesel crew cab without keyless entry
Posted By: wmccue
Date Posted: April 07, 2011 at 11:06 AM
blanx218 wrote:
you could always do shutdown diagnostics to see whats causing it to shutdown.
How do i do a shutdown diagnostic? That sounds like it may be worth a try before i delve into finding a good tach signal. ------------- 2001 F-250 7.3l powerstroke diesel crew cab without keyless entry
Posted By: blanx218
Date Posted: April 07, 2011 at 11:23 AM
Let the remote start run its course . Then follow the install guide. It will flash the LED telling u what's wrong.
Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: April 07, 2011 at 2:52 PM
Definitely tach issue, maybe you could program the unit for engine checking off and set the unit to one second crank time and see how that works for you.
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Posted By: syl20rochon
Date Posted: April 07, 2011 at 5:15 PM
Tach off with 1 sec cranking time has always worked for me...You'll solve your problem instantly.
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MECP security specialist
Tech support for remote starters
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Posted By: yeding
Date Posted: April 15, 2011 at 9:57 PM
guys, I am kinda lost here. The OP said he can start the car, but it turns off after 4-5minutes of running. So I thought cranking time should not be a problem, right? because by the time the car shut down, the crank has been released long ago. am I right here?
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 16, 2011 at 6:05 AM
Yedling has a point, first poster, alter your run time, if it's a tach issue the starter will stay engaged when you turn it on OR it will run 15 seconds only.
How are you going to get tach from the injectors on a diesel?
I would look at crank or camshaft position sensors for tach.
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Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: syl20rochon
Date Posted: April 16, 2011 at 11:44 AM
ok....you will do this.....no tach settings with 4 seconds cranking time if you really have a diesel. This setting really works and you will not have this problem anymore..guarantee. I've seen this so many time and it works very good. It will feel that it over cranks when hot but will be cranking beautifully when cold and will not shutdown. You may want to change your running time to 60 minutes.
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Sylvain Rochon
MECP security specialist
Tech support for remote starters
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I'm here to help.
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: April 16, 2011 at 4:30 PM
The tach wire is also used as a safety measure. It will kill the engine if it sees an over-revving situation. I myself would do the extra footwork to connect to something. Injectors will have 2 wires on each injector, they will have 1 color wire that is present on all injectors. The other colored wire of any injector is the one you want to use.
Posted By: syl20rochon
Date Posted: April 16, 2011 at 6:26 PM
I agree that connecting to tach is a security measure. I found the tach or injector on Ford trucks are really unstable. On gas ford f250, injector works very well, on diesel trucks, no tach with 4 sec. cranking time as worked wonders for me. I have hundreds of diesel Ford trucks on the road setup like this and I have absolutely no come backs. It's really your choice.
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Sylvain Rochon
MECP security specialist
Tech support for remote starters
26 Years of experience counts
I'm here to help.
Posted By: wmccue
Date Posted: April 18, 2011 at 3:57 PM
yeding wrote:
guys, I am kinda lost here. The OP said he can start the car, but it turns off after 4-5minutes of running. So I thought cranking time should not be a problem, right? because by the time the car shut down, the crank has been released long ago. am I right here?
Hey Yeding...your right crank time is not an issue, I actually have it set for three seconds crank time (i have a diesel) it starts fine, lately it has been operating good. the past few times i've used the remote start it was working fine. At first i thought maybe i was hitting the shutdown button because the unit is touchy.
off topic I must say the key fob for the 5902 is absolutely horrible.....the buttons are too easy to activate, and when you use the lock out function it makes the remote awkward to use. They should have designed the transmitter with a nice spring loaded hard shell flip open lid. ------------- 2001 F-250 7.3l powerstroke diesel crew cab without keyless entry
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 18, 2011 at 4:17 PM
X2 with comments ref the remotes. The joke is just before the takeover 5 or 6 years ago, Clifford brought out the A/Guard 5 with an absolutely brilliant TOUCH SCREEN remote and DEI canned it, probably too good for the cheapskates.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: yeding
Date Posted: April 18, 2011 at 7:45 PM
hi, wmccue,
I actually had a similar problem previsouly, I have a gas engine though. You can do the shut down diagnostic test, it will tell you what shut down the car. The problem I had is the car was shut down by over-rev protection, and it was fixed by getting the tach signal from fuel injector instead of the coil pack. there's something about the ford veichle that you will have to find the clean tach signal source. maynot be the same problem as yours, but definitely run the shut down test first.
Posted By: Twelvoltz
Date Posted: April 18, 2011 at 8:47 PM
syl20rochon wrote:
On gas ford f250, injector works very well, on diesel trucks, no tach with 4 sec. cranking time as worked wonders for me. I have hundreds of diesel Ford trucks on the road setup like this and I have absolutely no come backs. It's really your choice.
Four second crank? Even on an 01 F Series truck? I didn't realize the 01 has factory over-crank protection? I didn't think that it was introduced until a few years later.
To the O/P...as already mentioned, check your shutdown diagnostics for the reason the RS is shutting down. Virtual tach partially relies on voltage...is your alternator working 100%? ------------- Installer, IT support, and FFL. I need less hobbies.
Posted By: syl20rochon
Date Posted: April 18, 2011 at 9:52 PM
I'm talking about diesel trucks, f250...f350...f450...not a for f150 because it normally works good on virtual tach or injector connection. 4 sec cranking time is only for diesel trucks.
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Sylvain Rochon
MECP security specialist
Tech support for remote starters
26 Years of experience counts
I'm here to help.
Posted By: Twelvoltz
Date Posted: April 20, 2011 at 7:59 AM
syl20rochon wrote:
I'm talking about diesel trucks, f250...f350...f450...not a for f150 because it normally works good on virtual tach or injector connection. 4 sec cranking time is only for diesel trucks.
Again, I did not think that the 01 vehicles, diesel or otherwise, had any type of over crank protection. A 4 second crank time is way too long IMO, especially in warmer months. A tach wire connection is the only way to do it properly in the older vehicles, IMO. ------------- Installer, IT support, and FFL. I need less hobbies.
Posted By: syl20rochon
Date Posted: April 20, 2011 at 8:57 PM
I'm only saying that it worked very good for me on multiple installs...if you prefer not to do it, it is absolutely your choice...I never had any come backs...you can lower the cranking time to 2 or 3 seconds if you prefer or go to injector...
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Sylvain Rochon
MECP security specialist
Tech support for remote starters
26 Years of experience counts
I'm here to help.
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