2002 durango, remote start
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: May 11, 2025 at 7:03 PM
Topic: 2002 durango, remote start
Posted By: jrvalente
Subject: 2002 durango, remote start
Date Posted: May 26, 2011 at 6:38 PM
Ok I am stumped. My remote start is installed and its time for the bypass to be programmed but no dice. The only thing I am noticing is that the security doesn't flash, illuminate, or respond at all when I am remote starting. It will start and run with programmed key in ignition, so it is wired correctly, I just can't get it to program the bypass. I just don't know if it is powering(security) up or not. Any thoughts before I rip it all out and grab my beretta o/u and use the units as clay pigeons?
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Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: May 26, 2011 at 7:49 PM
Sure, we can help. The forum members have used and are familiar with most every bypass module available. Please list the brand and model of bypass you are attempting to program / use. Also listing the brand and model of remote start would help.
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Posted By: jrvalente
Date Posted: May 26, 2011 at 8:33 PM
My bad, damn Thunderbolt was dying so I didn't get all the info in the post that I wanted to.
Alpine 8081
Astrostart STS120
Xpresskit DLPKCHG1
So other than the new DEI bypass, everything is vintage but in great working order. The only thing I cant get done is the bypass programmed.
One other odd thing that I found was I was never able to get the auto lock feature disabled by the key on/off four times followed by the driver lock button programming. I believe I might have got that programmed to the off mode but have yet to test it. Was driving me nuts for a long time and I might have got that done successfully. Just an odd situation that I noticed.
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: May 26, 2011 at 9:25 PM
Can you list the wire connections between the DLPKCHG1 and the Durango and Astrostart? Also what happens during the module programming steps?
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Posted By: jrvalente
Date Posted: May 26, 2011 at 9:59 PM
Programming is all done all options work other than the sentry key bypass. I get into programming where security light flashes, remove second key, activate remote start in diesel mode and hold transponder to ignition, but no security light or tone. I have another Xpresskit bypass coming but I don't understand why I can't get this one to program.
Xpresskit Controls Where to Run Wire
Brown Ground When Running Green Astroflex STS-120 Harness #252
Green Input (-) Lock WHITE/ Brown Alpine 8081 8Pin Harness
Blue Input (-) Unlock WHITE/ Green Alpine 8081 8Pin Harness
PURPLE / White Door Lock Control WHITE/ Green Door Lock/Unlock Wire Drivers Kick
White Doorlocks/Alm Activate Light GREEN/ Orange Driver Kick Panel
Pink/White Door Sense Trigger BROWN / White Alpine 8081 24Pin Harness
Pink N/A N/A
Orange N/A N/A
Red 12v (+) Pink/Black OR RED / Lt. Blue (+) Ignition Harness
Black Ground Chassis Ground
Posted By: blanx218
Date Posted: May 26, 2011 at 10:17 PM
The Durangos from 2003 and earlier are notorious for not being able to program new keys or transponder type bypasses without the help of a Dodge dealer. An easy solution is an idatalink ads-al-ca. It is 100% data and is flawless on the Durangos. It does everything the DLPKCHG1 does, except they actually work on your vehicle.
Posted By: thecoolmankyle7
Date Posted: May 26, 2011 at 11:00 PM
I have had a lot of problems with that bypass mod programming. The idatalink ads-al-ca works much better! It actually works every time! Also make sure your module has the correct firmware on it. For that you have to have there programmer. Any dealer can flash the modules.
Posted By: jrvalente
Date Posted: May 27, 2011 at 6:16 AM
I have the loader and it does have the correct flash on it. On the Idatalink, yeah I should have tried that bypass but I stuck to the dei module because I was comfortable with them in the past. I am looking at the Idatalink at the moment though. I cant deal with this and want this completed.
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: May 27, 2011 at 6:59 AM
As noted, programming a RF type bypass module on this vehicle can be difficult. The Data type bypass modules are
easier and more reliable. If you have the ADS USB cable, either the ADS AL CA or the ADS DL module will duplicate
the functions of the DLPKCHG1. If you don't have the ADS USB cable, the ADS ALSL CH ( Solo series ) comes pre-loaded
with the correct firmware. Either way, the iDatalink modules are excellent choices.
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Posted By: jrvalente
Date Posted: May 28, 2011 at 8:24 PM
Ok I found an ADS-AL-CA locally and got it flashed and installed. Remote start works flawlessly but, yeah there is always a but, on disarm sometimes only the drivers door gets unlocked. Only about 40-50% does it unlock all five doors. It double pulses on lock and unlock which I am not exactly sure why but the second pulse is 3 seconds after and does not unlock the other doors. Any thoughts on this?
BTW the Idatalink was a nice solution to programming and was a piece of cake to install and program. Thanks for pushing me towards them. Seems like a better quality unit with quality copper wiring that soldered with ease.
Posted By: thecoolmankyle7
Date Posted: May 28, 2011 at 9:32 PM
Are you using the idatalink to do the door locks or are you using resistors and relays for a negitive one wire triger in the kick?
Posted By: jrvalente
Date Posted: May 28, 2011 at 10:12 PM
Using the Idatalink module for locks.
Posted By: thecoolmankyle7
Date Posted: May 28, 2011 at 11:55 PM
You said it 2 seconds after the first pulse right? thats probably to long a time frame and its just unlocking the drivers door again. you could turn the double pulse off and just hit unlock 2 times like the factory remote. Or you Can tape the single white green wire in the kicker panel and triger the lock and unlock there. The difference is that if you have a factory alarm the single wire want disarm it. If you use the single wire you need 2 realys that trigger a ground throught a resister for lock and unlock. I cant remember what the resistence is the form here sayes Lock is negative trigger thru a 820 ohm resistor. Unlock is negative trigger thru a 330 ohm resistor.
Here is the diagram for the wiring https://documents.audiovox.com/700649.pdf
Posted By: thecoolmankyle7
Date Posted: May 28, 2011 at 11:57 PM
Wow its late and i didnt proof ready! sorry for all the misspelled words!
Posted By: jrvalente
Date Posted: May 29, 2011 at 8:34 PM
thecoolmankyle7 wrote:
You said it 2 seconds after the first pulse right? thats probably to long a time frame and its just unlocking the drivers door again. you could turn the double pulse off and just hit unlock 2 times like the factory remote.
That will not work with the 8081. It is a single button with arm/lock and disarm/unlock on it. I also figured it was too long of a delay if in fact it was pulsing to unlock all doors. The Xpresskit I had never double pulsed and worked flawlessly with lock and unlock features, it just fell over when it came to programming the bypass.
thecoolmankyle7 wrote:
Or you Can tape the single white green wire in the kicker panel and triger the lock and unlock there. The difference is that if you have a factory alarm the single wire want disarm it. If you use the single wire you need 2 realys that trigger a ground throught a resister for lock and unlock. I cant remember what the resistence is the form here sayes Lock is negative trigger thru a 820 ohm resistor. Unlock is negative trigger thru a 330 ohm resistor.
Here is the diagram for the wiring https://documents.audiovox.com/700649.pdf
I really don't want to bother doing this and that was one of the reasons on using a do it all bypass module.I can do that but Then I wized away a good amount of money on bypasses when I just could have buried an uncut key in a coffin and been out a lot less cash.
<UPDATE> Wow, this didn't get posted this morning, but here it is anyways. Today, two out of three attempts unlocked all five doors. Don't know what the deal is with the inconsistency.
Posted By: jrvalente
Date Posted: June 01, 2011 at 8:58 PM
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Posted By: thecoolmankyle7
Date Posted: June 02, 2011 at 3:31 AM
PAC makes a piece called a TR7 that can trurn a single pulse into a double pulse and Im pretty sure you can set the timeing of the pusles. I think is like $30. First I would un hook the unlock wire from my module and try manually doing the double pulse faster on a ground surface and make sure that this will fix your problem. I suspect it will.
Posted By: jrvalente
Date Posted: June 03, 2011 at 7:15 PM
thecoolmankyle7 wrote:
PAC makes a piece called a TR7 that can trurn a single pulse into a double pulse and Im pretty sure you can set the timeing of the pusles. I think is like $30. First I would un hook the unlock wire from my module and try manually doing the double pulse faster on a ground surface and make sure that this will fix your problem. I suspect it will.
The xpresskit never double pulsed on lock(really don't need a double for lock I would think) or unlock so why is this, and with the xpresskit, it always unlocked all the doors all the time.
Posted By: thecoolmankyle7
Date Posted: June 04, 2011 at 1:15 AM
You don't need double pulse to lock and shouldn't. Some firmwares are set up to use double pulse so that you can do drivers door priority unlock like the factory remote did.
Posted By: thecoolmankyle7
Date Posted: June 04, 2011 at 1:18 AM
Also have you tried to unhooked the unlock wire from the alarm and manually activated the unlock by tapping it to a ground to see if timing is the issue?
Posted By: buddholly
Date Posted: June 04, 2011 at 12:22 PM
Using D2D? Cannot do double pulse unlock using D2D, must use W2W or hardwire your locks.
Posted By: thecoolmankyle7
Date Posted: June 07, 2011 at 12:01 AM
Did you try what I mentioned and tap the unlock to ground and see if it started working correctly that way? (To see if the alarm is pulsing to slow)
Posted By: jrvalente
Date Posted: June 08, 2011 at 8:14 PM
I have not. Question, why would the xpresskit do single pulse unlock and it would unlock all four doors, but the Idata double pulses and it still doesnt unlock all four doors. The door unlock seems to be worse now and I have yet to get all doors unlocked upon disarm. This alarm was from the days when d2d didn't exist. I wish I could look into the firmware of the Idatalink and fix the lock issue. I have yet to dig into it anymore as I have had it torn apart more than I care to have had to.
Posted By: buddholly
Date Posted: June 09, 2011 at 2:25 PM
I'm assuming the resistance that Idatalink uses isn't close enough to what the vehicle actually needs to see. Your best bet is going to be to cut the lock and unlock wire and check for the resistance and hard wire your locks. Had an issue similar to this with my buddys charger, couldn't get all four doors to unlock for the life of me. i ended up taking out the resistor for unlock and it worked flawlessly.
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