1999 e39, remote stater problem
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Topic: 1999 e39, remote stater problem
Posted By: sonid
Subject: 1999 e39, remote stater problem
Date Posted: November 12, 2011 at 6:03 PM
I purchased this car 5 years ago and I installed Avital Avistart 4200 (Avital dealer in MI) but since then I have a small problem with it. Sometimes it cranks but it fails to start. I found on the internet installation guide and I did some reprogamming but I found out that there was no tach wire connected.
There are two menus, the second one looks like this:
[img]https://imageshack.us/f/10/odsfgvjr.jpg/[/img]
OK, when I choose ENGINE CHECK ON and TACHOMETER ENGINE CHECK (did tach learn), the car won't start, it just cranks. Now the tach wire is connected, and yes, it's a right one.
When I put ENGINE CHECK OFF, the car would crank for 0.8 sec (programmed like that), sometimes starts, sometimes fails to start.
When I put ENGINE CHECK ON, VOLTAGE ENGINE CHECK and CRANKING TIME 0.8, the engine starts fine but again, sometimes fails to start.
I would like to have ENGINE CHECK ON with TACHOMETER ENGINE CHECK because I think that would be the best possible option, but like I said, the engine cranks for 100 years and no start.
Another thing, IGNITION COMES ON when I turn the key to ACC, and ON.
Im missing something?
------------- MICHAEL SCHUMACHER
Replies:
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 1:42 AM
OK tach wire options for this vehicle because cranking for 100 years means only one thing...tach not learnt!
Thin black wire at one of these locations:-
Thin black, pin 9 OBD ll socket, not on earlier versions.
Plug at rear of instrument panel (easy to drop out).
One of the diagnostic sockets under the hood.
Second, when learning tach run the engine at a faster idle, say 1200rpm.
Third, whilst the R/S on that car wires the ACC (violet on car) as a second ignition it shouldn't show on normal turning of the key. Do an eyeball Mkl test where they've soldered the R/S wires to the ignition loom, see if two cables are shorted together.
Alternatively if you can, if the leads are plugged on to the ignition switch rather than soldered (the column shroud is an easy removal) pull the first connection plug and test with a DMM set to continuity, it just might be an ignition switch fault.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: sonid
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 5:36 AM
Thanks for the reply.
First, the tach wire. Yes, it's a black one, thin, it goes to the back of instrument panel. If I cut it, there's no tach gauge, so it must be it. I did tach learn. I started the engine with the key, within 5 sec, I pressed and holded the Valet switch and the LED came on. So that means tach is learned.
Now, If I try to start it, it will crank, engine will not start, it justs cranks like crazy. I think if the tach is not learned, the engine would start but the starter would keep runing.
What you think? ------------- MICHAEL SCHUMACHER
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 5:54 AM
I think you might be right, you have the correct tach. The engine will normally run for 15 seconds then shut down when tach is not learned.
On further thought it actually sounds like an ignition problem.
This is the correct diagnostic set-up for your car:-
12v+ RED / green and RED / blue at ignition loom.
Ignition 1 Light green at ditto
Ignition 2 Violet (purple) at ditto*
Starter black or BLACK / YELLOW or light GREEN/ black depending on batch.
By-pass, 555UW using the grey valet key** wired Euro fashion, DON'T use the loop, hardwire.
*ACC output shouldn't be used, set the vehicle's ACC wire (Violet) as 2nd. ignition because it actually uses that wire as part of the start up process.
**If you use a normal key it will interfere with some of the start-up and locking processes.
If you have a DMM, fine but you only need a Snap-On test light or similar to test all of the above.
My thoughts are now leaning towards a faulty Avital or a faulty by-pass.
By-pass wiring is easy, GWR wire, + and -.
It would also be worth while unplugging the Avital and see if the ignition lights come on in ACC position. (You should only have the air bag light on).
While it's unplugged, check your voltage on all the red cables , use the back wire as your ground.
What was an E39? Excuse my ignorance but I know what an E36 and an E46 were, 98 was the changeover year although the basic electrics were the same.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 5:58 AM
Scratch the last question, we always called it the 96 5 series.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: jstruckman
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 9:23 AM
Yes sounds more like a bypass issue. IF you put the key in the ignition then try and remote start it, will it start? If so then you have a bypass problem.
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Posted By: sonid
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 9:35 AM
No, with TACH ENGINE CHECK no, it just cranks.
------------- MICHAEL SCHUMACHER
Posted By: sonid
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 9:54 AM
howie ll wrote:
12v+ RED / green and RED / blue at ignition loom.
Ignition 1 Light green at ditto
Ignition 2 Violet (purple) at ditto*
Starter black or BLACK / YELLOW or light GREEN/ black depending on batch.
By-pass, 555UW using the grey valet key** wired Euro fashion, DON'T use the loop, hardwire.
*ACC output shouldn't be used, set the vehicle's ACC wire (Violet) as 2nd. ignition because it actually uses that wire as part of the start up process.
OK, this is the key switch wiring:
Wires:
This is the model of Avital installed on my car:
How to connect those wires? ------------- MICHAEL SCHUMACHER
Posted By: sonid
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 10:45 AM
------------- MICHAEL SCHUMACHER
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 10:46 AM
OK, the first diagram tells me what I knew earlier, the ignition shouldn't light up in the ACC position.
Here's how the wiring goes:-
2 reds and RED / white, join one of them to each red.
Cut BLACK/ brown.
Green to key side and violet (purple) to starter side.
Pink to ONE of the greens (any one)*
Pink/white to violet.
Orange don't use.
*If the above doesn't work, follow this diagram:-
e39.bmp
Sorry about the scratchy lines, new mouse!
I would have thought you could join to 1 of the light greens but that first diagram of yours proves me wrong.
I wonder if you meter across them with the ignition off they are continuous, if so you won't need my diagram with 2 extra relays, 2 diodes (1n4004) and 2 30 amp fuse holders. ------------- Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: sonid
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 12:46 PM
No, it doesn't work, so I prepared this pic for you, everything you have to do is to connect the wire, so please do it for me:
------------- MICHAEL SCHUMACHER
Posted By: sonid
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 12:48 PM
Here is the direct link to the picture:
https://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3918/11111111111111111111111dm.jpg ------------- MICHAEL SCHUMACHER
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 1:02 PM
Actually there's no thing else I can do, all three greens have to be powered up which is why I posted that diagram.
I've given you the other connections, it's up to you to test them.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: sonid
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 1:08 PM
But I didn't got you/
Please save that pic and then draw lines from Avital wires to igntion. ------------- MICHAEL SCHUMACHER
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 1:20 PM
If you have to ask and haven't tried to check as I posted earlier, then you are over your head and must seek local professional help.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: sonid
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 2:41 PM
I'm not sure what I have to do with those two red and other one RED / white wire.
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MICHAEL SCHUMACHER
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 3:52 PM
This is what I'm getting at. I already gave you the answer about 3 posts back.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: sonid
Date Posted: November 13, 2011 at 4:13 PM
I'll try it.
Thanks a lot. ------------- MICHAEL SCHUMACHER
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